From lojban+bncCKyEq_TBFBCksfjvBBoEqFUVsA@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 19 08:41:43 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYK7y-0001UB-CH; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:43 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2737649qwh.16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0OGro4xW9XvfErmGHCUN6+eYhwVvLOpu9tZJWgaja0s=; b=MQp56k8lnv6CzGdXsTe5xcb6AZ5DQUjSVb7lQlaHNcP0BgnUD5QbctXH/wFD9enTvX p28N9yWXLqATm12g47SIPLiOu/qLR+uWYi18b1LuiQuaUHIuhPAszGBSjTNeqE65Jznu OJ1kbXzE42JT4+uLRHs6gch3tPjofo12ObpAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mZOfoQHMhvajUD3wxd2JJXaCD/8IwmcyueVVtJU3zXFrQxQMYOIVBPj9ThKh7JLkz3 B/6tc1K8vxNtp9eQJnZXiKOsA3ql78+uGY5aS6wUIelnAerqinrX8wtp4P7Ybd7Xq1Cf tH+xJajzf6+NmhJsTilPHXGvvM1MhNfkCXLZI= Received: by 10.229.26.196 with SMTP id f4mr442465qcc.14.1308498084031; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.67.145 with SMTP id r17ls24994qai.5.gmail; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.195.130 with SMTP id ec2mr4103062qab.29.1308498083516; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.6 with SMTP id f6msqan; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:31:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.87.214 with SMTP id x22mr446712vcl.30.1308396681242; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by k17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 04:31:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8c03254e-2b02-4799-9a18-6037324a2ac5@v5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> References: <27d8a568-6d8a-4bbe-a79a-bf0716205826@e16g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> <8c03254e-2b02-4799-9a18-6037324a2ac5@v5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110611 Firefox/7.0a1,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <16238e18-42d1-438b-9420-5afb7895076e@k17g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposing an alternative Arabic orthography for Lojban From: Muhammad Nael To: lojban X-Original-Sender: muhammad.nael@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the positive feedback everyone! .esk > It seems to me you use the orthographic conventions of farsi language, > am I right ? Correct. But the sound mappings are different, I used the mappings we use here in Egypt... If 100% like Farsi it would be: - (=8E) for my (=8D) and (=90) for my (=CC) among other differences, which wouldn't make since in Lojban since we don't need (tc) or (dj) sounds, wasting letters and making it more difficult for a lot of people with ordinary Arabic keyboard layouts. Persians on the other hand already have all the characters I'm using... --------------------- Saeid Al-Wazzan > I have one comment about the choice of character for {j} and {g}. > {g} is mapped to {=CC} and {j} is mapped to {=8D}. In Arabic, however, th= e {j} > sound is produced by {=CC}, I think it might be more natural to swap the > mappings for these two characters. In Egypt all (g) sounds are written (=CC) and (j) doesn't naturally occur in Arabic but is rather a stylistic pronunciation used in specific positions; and when it does happen, we usually don't denote it. It also made it easier to write on keyboard as I'm making a layout right now and (Shift+[ {=CC}) will give (=8D) so you see what I'm doing here ;) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.