From lojban+bncCKyEq_TBFBC2sfjvBBoEU4rAmw@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 19 08:41:51 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYK8C-0001UB-Iq; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:50 -0700 Received: by mail-qw0-f61.google.com with SMTP id 5sf2737649qwh.16 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id :in-reply-to:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jx79MkgSbaPcw8/HmtfZBf7ihnYQ6Qx6GwN+rac0IO4=; b=G0gZT8TWZ6xJlhD0b3AUEQdkuzlpHEGy/PQLH2Qy8Vek3UFDuQBrPhsRyb3JJoAhdj O0ZsKlx/RUJEl2HVQNGJgRVM5hd6Ec6EiUxvXbZveKfgHyd0Vsy5/Oj1gujiiiLVVQen RDM/+PKMktRWbydI+v4n/0vHbrgJMCjZEMZes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=i26PLPnBTJlbP4t+1djCgqIMqH3a7Zq6MC57JXF4uB81aYmnGOmGl8KTJ+6979UrnV Ag+dfA0qcamu37DwDVM43BOhfvLDGm+KVrpOZR3skDIimgk0/izppDTtIO9aMyZ3cRYe Dm8jJPnIQphDKVy5eCBBihABaLn0bdixdYx8U= Received: by 10.224.203.2 with SMTP id fg2mr453366qab.42.1308498102386; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.145 with SMTP id cw17ls1100110qab.2.gmail; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.204.5 with SMTP id fk5mr4095634qab.25.1308498102065; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.138.147 with SMTP id a19msqau; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.200.135 with SMTP id ew7mr566128vcb.42.1308405585480; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Muhammad Nael Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <3941565.2952.1308405584582.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbit26> In-Reply-To: Subject: [lojban] --- MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: muhammad.nael@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2951_15828135.1308405584581" ------=_Part_2951_15828135.1308405584581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the positive feedback! *[.esk]** It seems to me you use the orthographic conventions of farsi=20 language, am I right ? *Correct. However, the Farsi alphabet contains several other letters that= =20 are less common globally, making it more difficult to adopt for non Persian= s=20 and generally for most Arabic keyboard layouts. Persian KLs on the other=20 hand support all of the glyphs I chose, making it much easier. ---* [Saeid] > **This orthography is very concise. I think the way you chose to= =20 represent {e} and {o} is clever. *Thanks! The (e, o) mapping was a bit tiresome, I wanted a diacritic that= =20 was easy to write, available in most fonts but a the same time I didn't wan= t=20 to violate any rules of existing diacritic marks, the (Maddah) seemed=20 suitable. *>** {g} is mapped to {=CC} and {j} is mapped to {=8D}. In Arabic, however,= the=20 {j} sound is produced by {=CC}, I think it might be more natural to swap th= e=20 mappings for these two characters. *In Arabic, the original sound of (=CC) is that of [g], pronouncing it as [= j]=20 is for stylistic reasons and in specific situations. Mapping (=CC) to [j]= =20 would leave us with [g] needing a glyph. If, however, it was me, I'd choose (=D4) with a dot below or a small v abov= e,=20 but that wrecks its simplicity. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/F6mg1wWscdYJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_2951_15828135.1308405584581 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the po= sitive feedback!
[.esk] It seems to me you use the orthographic conventions of f= arsi language, am I right ?
Correct. However, the Farsi alphabet contains several other=20 letters that are less common globally, making it more difficult to adopt for non Persians and generally for most Arabic keyboard layouts.=20 Persian KLs on the other hand support all of the glyphs I chose, making=20 it much easier.
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[Saeid] > This orthography is very concise. I think the way you c= hose to represent {e} and {o} is clever.
Thanks! The (e, o) mapping was a bit tiresome, I wanted a=20 diacritic that was easy to write, available in most fonts but a the same time I didn't want to violate any rules of existing diacritic marks,=20 the (Maddah) seemed suitable.
> {g} is mapped to {=CC} and {j} is mapped to {=8D}. In Arab= ic, however, the=20 {j} sound is produced by {=CC}, I think it might be more natural to swap= =20 the mappings for these two characters.
In Arabic, the original sound of (=CC) is that of [g], pronouncing=20 it as [j] is for stylistic reasons and in specific situations. Mapping=20 (=CC) to [j] would leave us with [g] needing a glyph.
If, however, it was me, I'd choose (=D4) with a dot below or a small v abov= e, but that wrecks its simplicity.

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