From lojban+bncCIfp7ILVEBDU1_3vBBoEy0lKMw@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 20 08:48:47 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYgiT-0007JV-TV; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:47 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1456700pvc.16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=175Iaw1MWlPIbHblahwffTKz6c5ymVX+YvYMoPrLn7Q=; b=dX8nPp85rqF9dg8URdzHwmHj40YQ5gutgfBGepCHYHD20jtJDJPYG0uaSQCRlCgpjx 0MMsupY3AhZuKNBPHQe4F12ma0bVYfWVFksEz72CHK6YlVsA6uCSBI1b2b38IIfGkl1d 1RrtGDiMvVij20Fjokx1vm+m9SXzWAhHJxrIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=5uP1USLNLhTp//sW+Wpd84p3bwtjRCawWTUXiskc0qfNVni6N8ANd928zPK1ZbdeHz qJQJQiaqxMmqDak8jUsOnJhgSexpef6r5lEuzmF2iSl0hrRzDX9LYnjeO67jdzkYIKFf VLalCLPN3qkY1E7c90sHnliZ+oG6nprhI5oqY= Received: by 10.142.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr797533wfd.2.1308584916174; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.31.67 with SMTP id y3ls214809pbh.3.gmail; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.33.98 with SMTP id q2mr930308pbi.34.1308584915257; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.33.98 with SMTP id q2mr930307pbi.34.1308584915248; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com (mail-pz0-f46.google.com [209.85.210.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si12167045pbn.1.2011.06.20.08.48.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.46; Received: by mail-pz0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 9so5029781pzk.33 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.36.9 with SMTP id m9mr2062940pbj.11.1308584914792; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.48.102 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:48:34 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20 June 2011 10:01, Michael Turniansky wrote: > 2011/6/20 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > >> >> >> ni'o >> A second issue, which has been in my mind since I first considered >> the kau approach: How does {ka broda} compare to {ka xukau broda}? > > =A0 =A0"ka xukau broda" Means "the property of whether or notit is > broda". =A0It's actually probably identical (or nearly so) to the > little-used "jei [broda]". > Wait, in a {jei} there is no {ce'u}. Anyway, the question is, isn't {ka ce'u broda}, when applied to a specific object, the same thing? From your own interpretation, we have "the property of wether or not it is broda" vs "the property of being broda" --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.