From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCW3f3vBBoEogZr-w@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 20 09:01:06 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYguM-0007Wm-B3; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:01:06 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf4066935pzk.16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WxHd8vlL3j4qRdVyQX55Pdh7CoZA0N9sC9LxXUwW8J8=; b=ltj1i033wWX3qduYz4dmZORYSg7IEukoxUEAPpszq5IANxwNN6WOnhOwedg380IH97 kNYiybGsuvN0kyJDm7YqatLeYu3C1CV7DjGYEdex0qmihlXMI9qOaA3khm296BI1nt7R kgdgENSCHZp318ULyO6Ne9Rrjp82IjudqscTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YhTY0Ua3owJyPnxvSaJzK+2aqdKNRuOWM9V22ZXw8rmm/zoTMmHDzcnn/xYa1g/LpC ulq1Z5dFDZpNgB8RvScOuQt/XhtWqIVldA8Ad8DuaO7fK8CaANb1uH2U9aJCHnRFiRZZ ZOxkkd1fcTrQuhAMdUSRu2+6AwKurSDm3JQ1Y= Received: by 10.68.34.97 with SMTP id y1mr919559pbi.5.1308585622365; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.15.3 with SMTP id t3ls1562212pbc.1.gmail; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.33.229 with SMTP id u5mr1014810pbi.53.1308585621527; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.33.229 with SMTP id u5mr1014809pbi.53.1308585621516; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f173.google.com (mail-pv0-f173.google.com [74.125.83.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si12190288pbn.1.2011.06.20.09.00.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.173; Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3so2579772pvg.32 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.41.34 with SMTP id c2mr752735pbl.340.1308585621351; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.194 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:00:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/6/20 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > On 20 June 2011 10:01, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> 2011/6/20 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : >> >>> >>> >>> ni'o >>> A second issue, which has been in my mind since I first considered >>> the kau approach: How does {ka broda} compare to {ka xukau broda}? >> >> =A0 =A0"ka xukau broda" Means "the property of whether or notit is >> broda". =A0It's actually probably identical (or nearly so) to the >> little-used "jei [broda]". >> > > Wait, in a {jei} there is no {ce'u}. > Anyway, the question is, isn't {ka ce'u broda}, when applied to a > specific object, the same thing? From your own interpretation, we have > =A0"the property of wether or not it is broda" vs > =A0"the property of being broda" > > -- Yes, those are different. The first is a binary value, whereas the second is simply "brodaness". Example "mi se melbi lo mi gerku lo ka crino" -> " my dog is beautiful because of his greeness" "mi se melbi lo mi gerku lo ka xukau crino" -> "my dog is beautiful because of the state of his being-green-or-not". --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.