From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDvtP_vBBoEhlVrjg@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 20 16:40:45 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYo5A-0003uF-TZ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:44 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1694759pvc.16 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O//kEZ9eVBAVkqUqzBemJ0G5RDECP3CnlEgRkuyxPEQ=; b=616txnSARgAzK+70GYLvbOBPivYjY8zeggTS3QnZ2jFWnEzzf83xTg1kDjY5vO41rr 2lTZgWoiwtcMTBEzGQ/FIigBAKn5qAIWC/KWrchGOm41xSWZ20bC2OEYXe0sS1uBTyMq 040kK+G8j75UBVRmju6DiJ5QNnK7BdvJw+DrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=M2zaHM3wfj9iLferg/XhVo8pSyl4qRfFyyuq32J08ekgNfTzpZw3pEstB3/oQvs5Id dyYsY5l7eOkPQN0Jmxw5RI5ZJNbJvbVojO8C1orWRdrujlyWvbSGhCg2ExGbsam5hxfk SpyeGFhPtJ7mpp52CuzofaxTyFqO+008+rDnA= Received: by 10.68.13.131 with SMTP id h3mr487210pbc.78.1308613231231; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.37.105 with SMTP id x9ls243754pbj.2.gmail; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.62.69 with SMTP id w5mr1015090pbr.59.1308613230309; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.62.69 with SMTP id w5mr1015089pbr.59.1308613230300; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f51.google.com (mail-pz0-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si12902439pbc.0.2011.06.20.16.40.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.51; Received: by pzk26 with SMTP id 26so5017592pzk.24 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.63.233 with SMTP id j9mr2289314pbs.407.1308613229972; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.194 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:40:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/6/20 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > On 20 June 2011 16:56, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> 2011/6/20 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : >>> On 20 June 2011 16:30, Michael Turniansky wrote= : >>>> Yes, "xukau" returns a strictly binary value. It's not the >>>> exisitence of the "kau" per se that makes it binary. It's that the >>>> answer to "xu" is only binary, so "xukau" can only be a binary value. >>> >>> Oh, fine. Then I wonder how do {ka broda} and {ka makau jei ce'u broda} >>> compare to each other. Would you say they are close? The same? >>> >>> A nice thing is that {jei} has a x2. >> >> =A0I don't think you are saying what you think you are trying to say >> (although what you said is grammatical). =A0"jei" is an abstractor, like >> ka. =A0It takes a bridi and makes it into a selbri, who meaning is "..is >> the truth value of [bridi]", just like ka is "...is the property of >> [bridiness]-ness" > > I am pretty aware of what {jei} is. > How do you understand {ka makau jei ce'u broda}? I would have a hard time putting that into readable English. "The property of that being the truth of its possessing a quality of brodaness" --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.