From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDHhoLwBBoErnaNfQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 21 04:41:10 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QYzKL-0001Vp-Ob; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:41:10 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf4723317qyk.16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R/EVk6C94bsdyNDev8L9sd0MVQbhZxB0UTxVPsPVzXw=; b=R3DQ43LMcIhnekYvMQDITo0l3PLO+71FiOxQGWfac5px7065LuEqSo147iPc50XXBD tr/6zwy/Iz2ygta5QVG9OQqWFUfb4uv/PcRnwnO31NnEoyHUFucR5ly8SbJIHOfMJLTG qad5HPbMjtjy00WDzIPQJeTsftWyEZkep8Uqs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=c2jcblPHq0fvtWy1krflAFQNoTjq/JNsPLvM6g3+opvZGZIewL7yIPEL3le1j2eD6S aWh8zuGaaOXULK0QFvdsQsimFs9uHoPWKeTPwU0zBe6DR6OgV1k/9plP2CEg/mmc/UUS LfU4AKb/aC4kjGViOl+adefiWgdVr9lkXXuHo= Received: by 10.229.41.141 with SMTP id o13mr670174qce.34.1308656455554; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.183.131 with SMTP id cg3ls422679qab.0.gmail; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.182.9 with SMTP id ca9mr6149844qab.23.1308656454805; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.182.9 with SMTP id ca9mr6149843qab.23.1308656454797; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx39si6489926qcb.2.2011.06.21.04.40.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so2550299qyk.15 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.6.196 with SMTP id a4mr4881048qca.143.1308656454534; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.228.70 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:40:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:40:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/6/20 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > How do you understand {ka makau jei ce'u broda}? Something, which broda, is such that the truth-value of the proposition "it broda" is a matter of question. A classic example of an entity with such a property is "man". ro remna cu mrobi'o All men die. jei ro remna cu mrobi'o The truth-value of "All men die." makau jei ro remna cu mrobi'o Let us ask how "All men die." holds. lo remna cu ckaji lo ka makau jei ro ce'u mrobi'o Men are such that we can ask how "All of it die." holds. mu'o mi'e tijlan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.