From lojban+bncCIfp7ILVEBCFiIXwBBoEm_imTA@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 21 18:23:29 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZCAB-00017W-Py; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:29 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf163023pzk.16 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Af7OScIrE3AWUIPzMiPfrYuqP12MtXIA5xoWVf4sViI=; b=Svr6eubehNmX/kh0BTuS7tgE6DistvvUC0eQ3MVExSNnLZcXfNUQPLVEvADfCnqoVo P5SXp/+J2XefluOVCg/FPSyrRWKVFryhajqUzSn9t8QO8/o1wN2VoD1St6HGthkn+BQn fQaODU4zoyvjufaDqn3KBEaoDnVKfhqp6+7HY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CD4l2fTxk0wchr0Am0pI9+smmK2ti3e7Ei3RDHPa5yube8aNXOuPD3QXxdolwBZYwE 5lw6nGN9FVA3ywIq4+vQpy2mrF7+aBbfTUijt4+GhUdN0Pa85RdX6xRKRgrZOg1PYoh5 09JDn0inD/RshMOZtPzO4eH25+2CuN0DMmDWM= Received: by 10.142.152.2 with SMTP id z2mr11065wfd.16.1308705797759; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.31.67 with SMTP id y3ls17747pbh.3.gmail; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr17267pbg.3.1308705796415; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr17266pbg.3.1308705796365; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f50.google.com (mail-pw0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si125962pbi.2.2011.06.21.18.23.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.50; Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so370683pwj.23 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.36.9 with SMTP id m9mr35168pbj.11.1308705796215; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.48.102 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:23:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:23:16 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] non-ka properties From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/6/21 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > 2011/6/21 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : >> >> Just to check, how would you translate >> =A0{ko'a ckaji lo ka makau stuzi ce'u}, > > I would translate it as: "ko'a has the property of being located where > it is located". > >> and how would you answer >> =A0{mu'a ma .enai ma ckaji lo ka makau stuzi ce'u}? > > Sounds like a question for la koconfusius. I would suggest: > > ro da poi de stuzi da cu ckaji lo ka makau stuzi ce'u > "Everything that is located somewhere has the property of being > located wherever it is located." > Clearly {makau} can be replaced by {di} or {zo'e} here. If you agree that the converse also holds, than we can say that a {makau} in a se ckaji ka-makau might be logically replaced by {da} or {zo'e}. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.