From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhD1yp7vBBoEwjN6vw@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 02 08:00:19 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QS9Ng-0006oj-V3; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:19 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf2065451fxm.16 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5tI3nEZDsIG1Wh/TTmfh1nL8XdITh/m+gOjHL/ON+Cs=; b=Tdi/osFBn0K+OwEHk9/J1AfzPAQyugvvVA3TD4sUnV1HLyf05T5pUF4jQKe2r+OZ5M YBXHwdWd/M+w+22iERH05Wa/LjdnfGEnfH3odJxZ0KkPBGTL2n5zaPp1aXCMBMDUvB3H 99s7KnWseAfvtBKix4K3F8kuJBZ4hUYDGrT2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ll9xo3//yxjjOmHIZvxIY5GcEZdVgC9ErkRUrJjiHFT9v6VRuSOgS5Yn9/JWywCgGP HPg18E+yNS8XEPqReDglws1dzg1/wUITyfx7GylISJCpbWl1XxZHn6dd6iVaZJx4FCPf +dT15Yj453Di7kZtFEUdIZuUnRVjsUJksgI1M= Received: by 10.223.29.76 with SMTP id p12mr47175fac.38.1307026805640; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.16.207 with SMTP id p15ls702102bka.3.gmail; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.172.130 with SMTP id l2mr91323bkz.23.1307026804415; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.172.130 with SMTP id l2mr91321bkz.23.1307026804365; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f42.google.com (mail-bw0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l1si405021bkl.1.2011.06.02.08.00.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by mail-bw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 18so2429545bwz.1 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.82.202 with SMTP id ad10mr826554bkc.156.1307026804018; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.166.130 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110602051931.GF11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110602051931.GF11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pa mo'o mu moi javni From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554e05e5d8d0404a4bbe404 --bcaec554e05e5d8d0404a4bbe404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > 2011/6/1 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis > > > > > .i da'a no lo so'u balvi javni cu clacizyjvovau > > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 01:27:20PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > > > to .i lo pluka be mi ku se zmadu va'o da'i lo du'u de'u se krasi lo'u .= i > no > > lo le'u .e nai zo'e toi > > > > ( I would have liked it better if the statement began {.i no lo} > > Which completely reverses the meaning; "all" vs. "none"; you caught > that, yeah? > > Yes; "none" would have been more limiting, while "all" forces more weirdness. > > (Comments on my lojban expression of this welcome) ) > > Good, cuz I waz gonna. :) > > I actually pretty much figured it out, which is a good sign I think. > I prefer using causals for this sort of construct, though; > > mi zmadu se pluka se mu'i lo nu da'i de'u se krasi li'o > The thing I don't like about that is that it's not clear which one I prefer= . > > As a style comment, the ".e nai zo'e" seems pretty pointless; either > say what you mean (".e nai lo'u da'a no lo le'u") or skip it. > > In English, I might have said something like "[...] and not ..." where I would trail off and use extra-linguistic means to convey the second place o= f "and". {.e nai zo'e} seems to do exactly that, and I imagine {co'e} and {zo'e} will see much more use in speech than they seem to in writing. > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Robin Le= e Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 2011/6/1 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>
>
> > .i da'a no lo so'u balvi javni cu clacizyjvovau
>
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 01:27:20PM -0400, Alex Roze= nshteyn wrote:
>
> to .i lo pluka be mi ku se zmadu va'o da'i lo du'u de'= u se krasi lo'u .i no
> lo le'u .e nai zo'e toi
>
> ( I would have liked it better if the statemen= t began {.i no lo}

Which completely reverses the meaning; "all" vs. "none= "; you caught
that, yeah?

Yes; "none" would h= ave been more limiting, while "all" forces more weirdness.
=A0=
> (Comments on my lojban expression of this welcome) )

Good, cuz I waz gonna. :)

I actually pretty much figured it out, which is a good sign I think.
I prefer using causals for this sort of construct, though;

=A0mi zmadu se pluka se mu'i lo nu da'i de'u se krasi li'o=

The thing I don't like about that is that it&= #39;s not clear which one I prefer.

As a style comment, the ".e nai zo'e" seems pretty pointless;= either
say what you mean (".e nai lo'u da'a no lo le'u") or = skip it.

In English, I might have said= something like "[...] and not ..." where I would trail off and u= se extra-linguistic means to convey the second place of "and". {.= e nai zo'e} seems to do exactly that, and I imagine {co'e} and {zo&= #39;e} will see much more use in speech than they seem to in writing.
=A0
-Robin

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