From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCYzIrwBBoEeUhEzA@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 22 19:34:17 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZZkA-0003Sg-NR; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:34:16 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf3347709wyb.16 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HdWvJrfRuPVRg5Rwjoq1qcsPatN8KouNBhcKM1bcOgg=; b=u7bdnzMEvSbs5ozAQxLeC0E/Qhd5UfQMKmieOuXqI8x5jMd0t2rEW+L5g8zlRLb5Tj t5OFFvLEt7Vkd3AgU/kkeTpv5ycHyvedz28brjz5ETZ/LPWvlJqEKrSBdsJNmoydbQED QpTPMvIIiBEX26e2ZRQvDFg45c2qUGijiSzCo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=LoAsGt5nnMcS7A5zWX3B/eCWudoJ6IKodMjr+2wUHBvnbqQE07nfJ/m9Tg/WHe4+06 N4+mfnfM8/7WBq3Ody6OC6FqtSSE4D2uuI5pybXuG6Xvpbm+ggMTv8x+K0KrkBxRyAJ+ VvkInGxhhzVMW24H+xfBxmn0rQ+PYCGQzCoFk= Received: by 10.216.71.198 with SMTP id r48mr586291wed.24.1308796440036; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:34:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.5.206 with SMTP id 14ls619685wbw.0.gmail; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.54.6 with SMTP id o6mr99067wbg.9.1308796439007; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.54.6 with SMTP id o6mr99066wbg.9.1308796438984; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge17si1230449wbb.1.2011.06.22.19.33.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; Received: by mail-wy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 28so1304146wyb.40 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.238.32 with SMTP id z32mr1545073weq.33.1308796438786; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.50.77 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.50.77 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:33:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban puzzles From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151740225ad1334b04a657ea93 --00151740225ad1334b04a657ea93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is this a puzzle or are you asking about the difference between zukte and gasnu? In case the latter: gasnu has x1 bringing about an event. mi gasnu lo nu lo fagri cu sisti -> I put out the fire. zukte has x1 doing a thing. mi zukte lo nu bajkla lo mi zdani -> I run to my house. The trick I use to keep them straight is that if it feels weird to have the x1 agent as one of the sumti in the x2 event, then it's probably gasnu. It doesn't always work but it usually helps frame the question. I'm sure one of the jbocei will chime in shortly and give a more technically precise distinction On Jun 22, 2011 10:10 PM, ".arpis." wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00151740225ad1334b04a657ea93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is this a puzzle or are you asking about the difference between zukte an= d gasnu?

In case the latter:
gasnu has x1 bringing about an event.=A0 mi gasnu lo nu lo fagri cu sisti -= > I put out the fire.
zukte has x1 doing a thing. mi zukte lo nu bajkla lo mi zdani -> I run t= o my house.

The trick I use to keep them straight is that if it feels weird to have = the x1 agent as one of the sumti in the x2 event, then it's probably ga= snu.=A0 It doesn't always work but it usually helps frame the question.=

I'm sure one of the jbocei will chime in shortly and give a more tec= hnically precise distinction

On Jun 22, 2011 10:10 PM, ".arpis." &l= t;rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.= com> wrote:

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