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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_8983876_AHbHjkQAABWoTgMW9g5PoGZeLGs Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:02:35 -0400 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.136.185.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--181924222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1--181924222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There is a LoCCan 3 file out there somewhere, into which people have been p= utting complaints and suggestions for years. I have no idea where it is, t= hough, nor what it contains now. I do recall from long ago calls for an ea= sier and more accurate anaphoric pronoun system and simplification of the r= epetitive logical connectives system. Sent from my iPad On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:35, Muhammad Nael wrote: > Alright, > I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its idea, I'm pro= moting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my looooong list of ques= tions is: > For all the gurus and regular Lojbanists out there, imagine you're back w= here it all started, but with your current experience, how would you like L= ojban to be? Or, imagine that you're using the current Lojban as a template= for creating the perfect logical language (as close to that), how would yo= u want it look like say, in year 2090? or a bit sooner if that's too far. > What decisions do you know were made in the very initial years of Lojban = that you wish weren't? is there any that you wish were made? and why? > If possible give examples. - the change should be enriching Lojban's effi= ciency, making it easier to learn and moving it a step closer to being a co= mplete language. >=20 > I'll wait for replies, although I may not be able to make a reply myself = today. > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban/-/ABNC8-RSBPUJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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There is a LoCCan 3 file out there som= ewhere, into which people have been putting complaints and suggestions for = years.  I have no idea where it is, though, nor what it contains now. =  I do recall from long ago calls for an easier and more accurate anaph= oric pronoun system and simplification of the repetitive logical connective= s system.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:35, = Muhammad Nael <muhammad.nael@= gmail.com> wrote:

=
Alright,
I'm very much interested in the language but more so in it= s idea, I'm promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my loo= ooong list of questions is:
For all the gurus and regular Lojbanists= out there, imagine you're back where it all started, but with your current= experience, how would you like Lojban to be? Or, imagine that you're using= the current Lojban as a template for creating the perfect logical language= (as close to that), how would you want it look like say, in year 2090? or = a bit sooner if that's too far.
What decisions do you know were made in = the very initial years of Lojban that you wish weren't? is there any that y= ou wish were made? and why?
If possible give examples. - the chan= ge should be enriching Lojban's efficiency, making it easier to learn and m= oving it a step closer to being a complete language.

I'll wait for r= eplies, although I may not be able to make a reply myself today.

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