From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEIr2jfAEGgTxqkfw@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 23 10:42:48 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZnvQ-0003gH-8Z; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:47 -0700 Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8sf1273231pwj.16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GM9hafhHNtB9lKGH+H46HQ0D4gur3M08rg31B1dcrwE=; b=W57WsmyWFFSyE4993OqXu6NCObGiYcThqUwRNLnLtZOl4azQ7sSS+6E317popDRGhh RahN4R6tvMrKFI+NU02SlKBklN/xP0numUjkZfhgcXJcCcD0NyZosPHfAQ/nRsiPJewE bd2TodoNJfputNOtbDZ88YCyzC2me+8G0NOuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=Q9dKWZUmslhoex1sSp8wvtC/BVplckKOc9jxkOxcrNQCwEPn/r2IzjHgEMTamfImvT aCNK4eVu/oALAKmhgFHngZ7pDhHJeJqT8UTr6W4W9CpmQWBxYDIHhohZC/RBjQuaA+5e E3eXmbBYih4sN1YDbEwzeP8/igRu0EXkVWBds= Received: by 10.68.16.105 with SMTP id f9mr196431pbd.26.1308850954543; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.36.67 with SMTP id o3ls581487pbj.0.gmail; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.4.230 with SMTP id n6mr419181pbn.76.1308850953051; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.4.230 with SMTP id n6mr419180pbn.76.1308850953040; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si3774813pbn.1.2011.06.23.10.42.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZnvC-0003bv-Nr for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:42:30 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. Message-ID: <20110623174229.GQ8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <20110623172500.GO8547@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 01:26:33PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 03:35:26AM -0700, Muhammad Nael wrote: > >> I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its idea, > >> I'm promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my > >> *looooong* list of questions is: > >> > >> For all the gurus and regular Lojbanists out there, imagine you're bac= k > >> where it all started, but with your current experience, how would you = like > >> Lojban to be? > > > > I refuse. =A0Sorry. =A0Most oldbies will; going down that path leads to > > too much frustration at the current state, and enacting such plans > > would break up the (currently pretty impressive) community. >=20 > Funny, I was thinking the same thing. But I didn't even want to > bother saying it. Heh. Now, having said that, the community has made it clear that baby-steps that happen to break past usage are acceptable if they lead to more awesome, so over the next many years, we may be able to fix a lot of the frustrtating stuff; if you want to see that happen faster, help with CLLv1.1 (see http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/8e9bb19d63d97c87 ) and with vocab (see http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Functional+Vocabulary+List ). -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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