From lojban+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDAv47wBBoE4XXDWQ@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 23 13:19:25 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZqN0-0004M4-TY; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:25 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1277906pvc.16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ryXLZ0M8fCgpI/c9hq9MygNN/KInUojbKuqIk070NNI=; b=UKHFn08YwoWnIJGxS3iS2pJpFo2UEyO0RUCU8SW+1esqtumuGM/8uISc3uDDz7vLGy pTRj/Mx3DjJSd0SCWAZVCeRt+vYgX1+enM5G45d+SHfbgUOsUwSvYNnRudjGITTZi6q8 /VmDaWYDcMxUVlaZG2oTjoLySfukqyHh5r8VU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0C0nN8ZuwA62qw5ld5/b/evU8UQ110Prc2z+LuNeYNcv+UsSrSSyyySzaly7k4Wf8O 6r0SUzzNolpOwIh/OPtoM9zo/yai5SnGMX+p1Ph9TZt22l1HEyV17Y0Qt5O9IvlF+UC7 ODuQY8yG1WNKCa+R23kJQFlfmcJrep8mAfCTw= Received: by 10.68.8.161 with SMTP id s1mr202806pba.11.1308860352935; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.37.105 with SMTP id x9ls615249pbj.2.gmail; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr458980pbg.3.1308860351573; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr458979pbg.3.1308860351561; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com (mail-pz0-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si4038818pbi.2.2011.06.23.13.19.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.47; Received: by mail-pz0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 36so1803794pzk.34 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.20.106 with SMTP id m10mr1444966pbe.137.1308860351269; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.54.132 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <11901869.2174.1308852061501.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbre5> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <11901869.2174.1308852061501.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbre5> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:19:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be. From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If it's for a pet project, I think that just sticking with the simplest part of Lojban would be enough. Gismu, bridi and cmene are rather simply to understand and capture a great deal of what Lojban is. The most complex part (cmavo) could be restricted to the most commonly used ones (pro-sumti, gadri, ...). Anyway, I think that trying to think to a "slightly different" lojban it's a phase everyone is passed through. I had it in my second iteration of being interested in Lojban. Now, in my third iteration of interest, I just decided to learn the language as it is. Maybe when I'll be very very proficient in Lojban I'll have something to suggest to make it different but for now I've still a long way to go. BTW, to resist the temptation it helped me a lot to constantly think about Lojbanistan and native jbopre. I mean, would i ever think of changing French just because I don't like the grammar? I surely wouldn't. And Lojbanistan is such a lovely place! I wish I was an artist or a writer and being able to "world-build" it (http://makingplaces.tumblr.com). The Lojbanistan founding mythology is probably related to the Babel Tower and while berjbopre lean toward an extreme rigour, sunjbopre are more inclined to use {zo'e} and even unbound {da}! But I digress ... On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Muhammad Nael wrote: > Woohoo! slow down! > I'm very, very sorry for this overall, well, nonacceptance. > I was just asking you how you see it could turn out in the next decades, I'm > not in a discussion for a new project here, I'm already learning Lojban as > it is, but I want to hear suggestions from users with more experience as I'm > promoting a imaginary form of Lojban in a school project, that's mainly it! > Again, I'm very sorry for provoking this overall pent-up frustration. I'll > look at the links, however. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/AWT1hZvNVz4J. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.