From lojban+bncCKvXs-uJGRCo547wBBoELptDCA@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 23 14:44:20 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZrhC-0005SV-P2; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:44:20 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf3023863qyk.16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QM5/gjb+mU642RMDB4SkOA1udHfR/xq/AO3wcBuEWGE=; b=zfWmi1elbHUjynQByoAxGi165Sq8ZYzu3Lr0y8Nr4fkZITnBeWWRLvuAu4r8KIC29f +DoB0BdgjUtVzjw/7bH9wTfDWOgB2NPSlUB9DwtKecTirO2mmM/NvPY/QEd66cuHVsdW yE1iwt2zWjv1AnHRmYK8oTVoK1zyMsuQ2KCJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bS7P7j35UUXyMq1TBdE3UQPBCaj7NosuLBZj/uW5zFVTcJ+SrambfXL58gCG/bmfiW N64QjF6hCGoHv+Pq0KP8c1sfgdllQn+p6f+FbaSwsgYEn95LuLf/9VcJCirjQHZFgM5R HVNnFsuPclXogRmcbVPwnUe66rD6OtexDYT8o= Received: by 10.224.201.196 with SMTP id fb4mr108946qab.49.1308865448882; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.183.6 with SMTP id ce6ls2535qab.7.gmail; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.205.195 with SMTP id fr3mr2278458qab.24.1308865448185; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.3 with SMTP id eu3msqab; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.66 with SMTP id ef2mr2154940qab.22.1308857135842; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.196.66 with SMTP id ef2mr2154939qab.22.1308857135827; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f42.google.com (mail-vw0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k34si1611257qcj.3.2011.06.23.12.25.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of hobyrne@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.42; Received: by mail-vw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 1so2159714vwl.15 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.46 with SMTP id dh14mr3288900vdb.60.1308857135454; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.112.74 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110623174229.GQ8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <20110623172500.GO8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110623174229.GQ8547@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:25:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. 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From: "Hugh O'Byrne" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: hobyrne@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of hobyrne@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=hobyrne@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 01:26:33PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 03:35:26AM -0700, Muhammad Nael wrote: >> >> I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its idea, >> >> I'm promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my >> >> *looooong* list of questions is: >> >> >> >> For all the gurus and regular Lojbanists out there, imagine you're ba= ck >> >> where it all started, but with your current experience, how would you= like >> >> Lojban to be? >> > >> > I refuse. =A0Sorry. =A0Most oldbies will; going down that path leads t= o >> > too much frustration at the current state, and enacting such plans >> > would break up the (currently pretty impressive) community. >> >> Funny, I was thinking the same thing. But I didn't even want to >> bother saying it. > > Heh. > > Now, having said that, the community has made it clear that > baby-steps that happen to break past usage are acceptable if they > lead to more awesome, so over the next many years, we may be able to > fix a lot of the frustrtating stuff; if you want to see that happen > faster, help with CLLv1.1 (see > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/8e9bb19d63d97c= 87 > ) and with vocab (see > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Functional+Vocabulary+List ). > -Robin Heh. Apparently Robin's pretty impressive community consists of one other person. One thing that I would like to see is adoption of an alphabet such as 'Visible Speech' http://www.omniglot.com/writing/visiblespeech.htm - at least for written Lojban representation of other spoken languages. Hugh -- Good night, and have a rational tomorrow! --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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