From lojban+bncCK30vq5WELL6jvAEGgQRE1gA@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 23 15:25:03 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZsKa-0006Op-7x; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:03 -0700 Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8sf1400828pwj.16 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=lPIkjFxe14JPmhABFBzIYoT3OD6h4DHJco0Lu6G8P7U=; b=Cb2vn5azQS5noyQivcruu5+UdbBk3sD9i71NMOUfyDcLd8jAsKjZZG93dCzKP0hs0m xt8Xn2cJlSDNtbSWddRwnQ6rFlF0AQdy9zXA1gJJwfFyUClT9vVGaf53pr786RJUVJb/ ktX08LJNcP1Ejn5bt6lQIfZGB0Q6WWQt9K3AA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=q9Fd/3YK2+/ZSVsWHnZueQmuIOwiFR+UpEsH31agLj+DMZTIvGdoUrtl55DYFLEO6W k4SrfEG/hvAy2jOuVk3HTxliBQf/yaapomZfyb6lnOwoND8vU+MgfgN1lcgqhj0KNmph uVmpGZAWOhCXLzGQ/PVnd/YN2Xi5OhVqbVQvw= Received: by 10.68.23.2 with SMTP id i2mr219883pbf.83.1308867890540; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.59.41 with SMTP id w9ls636865pbq.1.gmail; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.0.198 with SMTP id 6mr442229pbg.5.1308867889024; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.0.198 with SMTP id 6mr442228pbg.5.1308867889013; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si4237399pbn.1.2011.06.23.15.24.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QZsKN-0005wJ-Q9 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:47 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: A recent Lojbanic history lesson (was Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be.) Message-ID: <20110623222447.GT8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <20110623172500.GO8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110623174229.GQ8547@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 02:25:35PM -0500, Hugh O'Byrne wrote: > > Now, having said that, the community has made it clear that > > baby-steps that happen to break past usage are acceptable if > > they lead to more awesome, so over the next many years, we may > > be able to fix a lot of the frustrtating stuff; if you want to > > see that happen faster, help with CLLv1.1 (see > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/8e9bb19d63d97c87) > > and with vocab (see > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Functional+Vocabulary+List ). -Robin > > Heh. Apparently Robin's pretty impressive community consists of > one other person. The specific comment of mine about the community being OK with breaking past usage (which is what I hope you're referring to, otherwise I'm just confused) is a reference to the discussion that resulted from an essay I wrote last year; here's the threads. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_frm/thread/c67f210addc06a0c http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_frm/thread/ae71ea92dbbfd5b1 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_frm/thread/8c345f62e9f946ce http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_frm/thread/33d26e8385fed297 You will discover slightly more than two people involved; there are something like 300 total messages in those threads. I actually was quite shocked at the response, which was an overwhelming preference for tinkering as long as the language wasn't broken too much. I was expecting it to be more more even. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.