From lojban+bncCKyEq_TBFBC8y5HwBBoEF1i0mg@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 24 03:24:13 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qa3YU-00038v-OS; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:24:12 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf2035617gxk.16 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:24:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id :in-reply-to:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/wATJ3SNc7XmrETo2DbMNiipo/ED58Oxqzmo+x3eU5E=; b=OK04Hc8m2+Q5o4JIlm7lxXxipbQYlgJiI5qQaxB2HNGAvadsx0om3NsZsacxhuxcAL 4WGz3xITaIrDpRhyjdcRNIxU1xqAwMpa+fmDm9SRT7MzgyRH5yR+JFkVwSyEKpi7UYkm Z/AhSEOUBWuarHlazaNdZv44wE9OGNBIadzWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1sFZzRJykkNYP07ntfv6GHlPU3rc8y2znjmtDOpdp3ti7Vkdpr9Rw9bAgA7fjjXFhp FauRNPi7TG2gzcVx/z08x39zZreSFw/iT5yqMsCQjpQArCe0FLPVjrJEzGjH1FYlQKuN m9wiWTctpkqY46oUoXelEslM91hoPU0DfWeCE= Received: by 10.236.29.71 with SMTP id h47mr15945yha.43.1308911036385; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.196.22 with SMTP id y22ls7004agp.5.gmail; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.164.3 with SMTP id r3mr21699ago.5.1308911035358; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Muhammad Nael Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <29196995.3720.1308911034228.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: muhammad.nael@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3719_32120717.1308911034227" ------=_Part_3719_32120717.1308911034227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I looked at the links posted, this is will take a while! On the other hand, regarding the suggestions posted; I'm using it *now* in a school project, but not necessarily a small one. -I was asked at school to work on a *complete* short story to submit by the beginning of next year, that is the soon-to-come reason for the question. The same story but with different characters, plot and ending (hard to swallow!) exists currently as a draft on my PC, and that is the long-term reason for the same question. Being an SF story in the future, I was curious about how the current Lojban community see the future of Lojban, or what would they change if they're going to start an entirely new project based (or not) on Lojban as a template. -I looked at the visual alphabet, and I think it would be an awful idea to try implementing it as is; its letters can so easily be confused if you put them as clusters, if you put them as individual components then you're asking the beginners to learn the science of morphology; and if they pronounce a letter different from the original pronunciation, Lojban loses its unique sound-to-letter mapping. In a word, I'd Tolkien's *tengwar* over Graham Bell Sr.'s *visual alphabet*, bearing in mind that I recommend neither. I have to go, will follow up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/9udegjhy97gJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_3719_32120717.1308911034227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I looked at the links posted, this is will take a while!
On the other ha= nd, regarding the suggestions posted; I'm using it now in a school p= roject, but not necessarily a small one.
-I was asked at school to work = on a complete short story to submit by the beginning of next year, t= hat is the soon-to-come reason for the question. The same story but with di= fferent characters, plot and ending (hard to swallow!) exists currently as = a draft on my PC, and that is the long-term reason for the same question. B= eing an SF story in the future, I was curious about how the current Lojban = community see the future of Lojban, or what would they change if they're go= ing to start an entirely new project based (or not) on Lojban as a template= .
-I looked at the visual alphabet, and I think it would be an awful ide= a to try implementing it as is; its letters can so easily be confused if yo= u put them as clusters, if you put them as individual components then you'r= e asking the beginners to learn the science of morphology; and if they pron= ounce a letter different from the original pronunciation, Lojban loses its = unique sound-to-letter mapping. In a word, I'd Tolkien's tengwar ove= r Graham Bell Sr.'s visual alphabet, bearing in mind that I recommen= d neither.
I have to go, will follow up.

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