From lojban+bncCNuStaWoDxCtgJPwBBoEQmpJhg@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 24 09:50:04 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qa9Zw-0008MP-Ce; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:50:03 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf7127634wwf.16 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C8iYC4ae/dgztFckBrX0KtsA3AucZDJpqlyVpq3+2HQ=; b=mlk8dltIxyft9loddvgZpiFj3DxieWNi+9s7v6Ey03bJdEYLmHBwFzh1RaoPxWhunY bFhwbGgeDl5tImU8dZUr9s/2J5uTKbl+zmGrOdpyLHdH5NivnbRDbBIQu7sbrAU+Q3kb EfeQY2GmqpcvML3H+2WGfCiT8IZ31utwDhL7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DVzfH9ODfQC8GQKrTUlJkWgPK10Da93iOh6Q+Q2l5+5/ECyQsp/LyMj6bgGeY9ughg JYEkSAEOA5byBv36s6wGRX8DIVVNTagMyGE+grbvQpeIQHLP8lXrMGbvuPv1kdrfeKuG 5dieBR1arzeogQ2kLX8JQx+zbFCp+vNguWGsg= Received: by 10.216.37.18 with SMTP id x18mr122397wea.28.1308934189800; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.168.207 with SMTP id v15ls106337wby.3.gmail; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.74 with SMTP id fl10mr228260wbb.11.1308934188856; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.74 with SMTP id fl10mr228259wbb.11.1308934188836; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f52.google.com (mail-ww0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x28si2960788wbn.2.2011.06.24.09.49.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.52; Received: by wwf10 with SMTP id 10so2601650wwf.21 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.220.212 with SMTP id o62mr222160wep.75.1308934188685; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fm6sm2138467wbb.27.2011.06.24.09.49.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E04C028.9050703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:49:44 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> In-Reply-To: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Muhammad Nael, On 23/06/2011 11:35: > I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its idea, I'm > promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my /looooong/ > list of questions is: For all the gurus and regular Lojbanists out > there, imagine you're back where it all started, but with your > current experience, how would you like Lojban to be? Or, imagine that > you're using the current Lojban as a template for creating the > perfect logical language (as close to that), how would you want it > look like say, in year 2090? or a bit sooner if that's too far. What > decisions do you know were made in the very initial years of Lojban > that you wish weren't? is there any that you wish were /made/? and > why? If possible give examples. - the change should be enriching > Lojban's efficiency, making it easier to learn and moving it a step > closer to being a complete language. > > I'll wait for replies, although I may not be able to make a reply myself = today. Whether starting from now, or if starting in 1960 but with the benefit of h= indsight, the hypothetical neo-Lojban should start completely from scratch,= preserving nothing of current Lojban (-- because everything in current Loj= ban could be drastically improved upon), but of course learning immensely f= rom it -- which isn't an answer that is going to help you much with your sh= ort story. There is no community actively discussing a Neo-Lojban, but if t= here were, I imagine engelang@yahoogroups.com would be the least unsuitable= forum for it. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.