From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEOCOk_AEGgSaXRUe@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 24 10:20:48 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QaA3e-0002zn-57; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:47 -0700 Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8sf1839380pwj.16 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=zI99tb66zhRCJufOAI0GPDGaQ7u38tYR0gBn9w/+l90=; b=vOv3Ec20XIuyEL99UKASmuYT96rODoKzAlYNfyhmPvccBiYxM9ewUtoTbUo3bUvH7W VovjEswXgXtKmMXKbAR/FaK5nRK9tyzJV83wvM/a77SBuzXsW6QphBeNuG4VKGpbKqoG vNmQyW8puSo03d0eTfLr2fGJ0CE/IJWWLfBBs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=IKOIv/9Zt0AGO+oWmDGc34fQQz8xFwSsQgnuFxHDdFJWqRn0jloFd7DsoWLlmUY97w WXstqV1SjK8B6i3qZZxokYD6WSTW2F5/zEvFaFAnQlSoYZFDwBGy5EZfA3PWTts31d3y 6N5ool2u8SKitI/ClDBtH9qVvwsvEElkk4Nz0= Received: by 10.68.23.2 with SMTP id i2mr299664pbf.83.1308936032344; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.59.41 with SMTP id w9ls848058pbq.1.gmail; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.49.97 with SMTP id t1mr653620pbn.44.1308936031401; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.49.97 with SMTP id t1mr653619pbn.44.1308936031393; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si6092553pbc.0.2011.06.24.10.20.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QaA3R-0002zT-Ed for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:20:29 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. Message-ID: <20110624172029.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <4E04C028.9050703@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4E04C028.9050703@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 05:49:44PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Muhammad Nael, On 23/06/2011 11:35: > >I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its idea, > >I'm promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my > >/looooong/ list of questions is: For all the gurus and regular > >Lojbanists out there, imagine you're back where it all started, > >but with your current experience, how would you like Lojban to > >be? Or, imagine that you're using the current Lojban as a > >template for creating the perfect logical language (as close to > >that), how would you want it look like say, in year 2090? or a > >bit sooner if that's too far. What decisions do you know were > >made in the very initial years of Lojban that you wish weren't? > >is there any that you wish were /made/? and why? If possible give > >examples. - the change should be enriching Lojban's efficiency, > >making it easier to learn and moving it a step closer to being a > >complete language. > > > >I'll wait for replies, although I may not be able to make a reply > >myself today. > > Whether starting from now, or if starting in 1960 but with the > benefit of hindsight, the hypothetical neo-Lojban should start > completely from scratch, preserving nothing of current Lojban (-- > because everything in current Lojban could be drastically improved > upon), but of course learning immensely from it -- which isn't an > answer that is going to help you much with your short story. There > is no community actively discussing a Neo-Lojban, but if there > were, I imagine engelang@yahoogroups.com would be the least > unsuitable forum for it. There actually *is* a loccan 3 mailing list somewhere, but I've never seen it actually have any discussion, and I can't find it anymore. How helpful is that??? :) -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.