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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. Message-ID: <20110624173113.GF5520@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <4E04C028.9050703@gmail.com> <20110624172029.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110624172029.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:20:29AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 05:49:44PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > Muhammad Nael, On 23/06/2011 11:35: > > >I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its idea, > > >I'm promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; so, my > > >/looooong/ list of questions is: For all the gurus and regular > > >Lojbanists out there, imagine you're back where it all started, > > >but with your current experience, how would you like Lojban to > > >be? Or, imagine that you're using the current Lojban as a > > >template for creating the perfect logical language (as close to > > >that), how would you want it look like say, in year 2090? or a > > >bit sooner if that's too far. What decisions do you know were > > >made in the very initial years of Lojban that you wish weren't? > > >is there any that you wish were /made/? and why? If possible give > > >examples. - the change should be enriching Lojban's efficiency, > > >making it easier to learn and moving it a step closer to being a > > >complete language. > > > > > >I'll wait for replies, although I may not be able to make a reply > > >myself today. > > > > Whether starting from now, or if starting in 1960 but with the > > benefit of hindsight, the hypothetical neo-Lojban should start > > completely from scratch, preserving nothing of current Lojban (-- > > because everything in current Lojban could be drastically improved > > upon), but of course learning immensely from it -- which isn't an > > answer that is going to help you much with your short story. There > > is no community actively discussing a Neo-Lojban, but if there > > were, I imagine engelang@yahoogroups.com would be the least > > unsuitable forum for it. > > There actually *is* a loccan 3 mailing list somewhere, but I've > never seen it actually have any discussion, and I can't find it > anymore. > > How helpful is that??? :) > > -Robin > .i ra'u di'u pe do sidju simsa la'o .jy. loccan .jy. zo'o .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. -- .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.