From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEMCVk_AEGgR0xEl5@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 24 10:35:08 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QaAHa-0005JT-8b; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:35:08 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1759635pvc.16 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:35:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=60TETGVyZ8r9rXSza9fVuTURBHzFLYC4lkVwi8aBMDc=; b=56X/9jEBIalaiiJEOJzFnTv+uTUA0EWFof13zNHxh61S957wrKG+JMbERNQTxDJeQh 44EuHXuYZ7HTQDxj/U19DljZjLuf39F7c+j7auYsT6EDsrXI671OmGmSs+Pn87YtEjek jlkL9Fw/tKsrtuuabjCdNY1RViA+egHs72zUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=gk7vqHTh3kf+JSNxTRCiHa5+WdwBZVKSrj5LmMVWsUbe9yk4jSb3faMe79UCZCHEfx ORMR/Lh2mOpR5JtXYlDiUxcT47DA+edbOZev8xum1Ob1cJwwahH/fpjnZsG9lPTmzn5n fyoHZFEjQE4SXyd/fFXwIaqAyYR6zrgD30Qk8= Received: by 10.142.161.18 with SMTP id j18mr290157wfe.32.1308936896502; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.36.67 with SMTP id o3ls848849pbj.0.gmail; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.64.34 with SMTP id l2mr676135pbs.88.1308936895269; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.64.34 with SMTP id l2mr676134pbs.88.1308936895251; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si6114644pbc.0.2011.06.24.10.34.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QaAHO-0005JK-J9 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:34:54 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. Message-ID: <20110624173454.GI8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <4E04C028.9050703@gmail.com> <20110624172029.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110624173113.GF5520@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110624173113.GF5520@alice.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:31:13AM -0600, .alyn.post. wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:20:29AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 05:49:44PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > Muhammad Nael, On 23/06/2011 11:35: > > > >I'm very much interested in the language but more so in its > > > >idea, I'm promoting a custom -not yet existing- form of it; > > > >so, my /looooong/ list of questions is: For all the gurus and > > > >regular Lojbanists out there, imagine you're back where it > > > >all started, but with your current experience, how would you > > > >like Lojban to be? Or, imagine that you're using the current > > > >Lojban as a template for creating the perfect logical > > > >language (as close to that), how would you want it look like > > > >say, in year 2090? or a bit sooner if that's too far. What > > > >decisions do you know were made in the very initial years of > > > >Lojban that you wish weren't? is there any that you wish were > > > >/made/? and why? If possible give examples. - the change > > > >should be enriching Lojban's efficiency, making it easier to > > > >learn and moving it a step closer to being a complete > > > >language. > > > > > > > >I'll wait for replies, although I may not be able to make a > > > >reply myself today. > > > > > > Whether starting from now, or if starting in 1960 but with the > > > benefit of hindsight, the hypothetical neo-Lojban should start > > > completely from scratch, preserving nothing of current Lojban > > > (-- because everything in current Lojban could be drastically > > > improved upon), but of course learning immensely from it -- > > > which isn't an answer that is going to help you much with your > > > short story. There is no community actively discussing a > > > Neo-Lojban, but if there were, I imagine > > > engelang@yahoogroups.com would be the least unsuitable forum > > > for it. > > > > There actually *is* a loccan 3 mailing list somewhere, but I've > > never seen it actually have any discussion, and I can't find it > > anymore. > > > > How helpful is that??? :) > > > > -Robin > > > > .i ra'u di'u pe do sidju simsa la'o .jy. loccan .jy. zo'o .u'i sai mi cmila -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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