From lojban+bncCK30vq5WENHDn-8EGgRY8pUR@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 02 12:17:51 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QSDOt-0007vJ-IR; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:51 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf473811pvc.16 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QtIAduempmOJBt1XmOlnppyEMm7jTqT/FcWGR6ZDbCQ=; b=LvmnEYfTdbJYvFwJpPTUGL84LzwjLJXsoE2NVg9SdA4mR7HKeB2kEaPIBdf3LBMqHn oVE8uaGJHpca+AfnTXjKDplresQAYuQPFC6VeOgZt+/9Lbw11DoKA89NFiTSh+/1k54t CelHobW1ko+VC4WvzLiaA1Z2QiYauCXmqXuT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=KIWGF660l7UWtTAmPxJ6W1CUj+qtSMD4I+knl6rLNiEMyfCFo6oBCDWl8QhCGRP65A XEewSbWD2aYOsRvynkNmQtLdp5sqgnz7K3olWD2O4OSHtD2+U726dEs8YetODQTlSf0f 6QnouOIk2um52PA/WdLz2y8QbatMdIPcPY0PI= Received: by 10.142.150.34 with SMTP id x34mr123092wfd.53.1307042257327; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.15.3 with SMTP id t3ls618658pbc.1.gmail; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.232 with SMTP id c8mr191679pbr.65.1307042255746; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.232 with SMTP id c8mr191678pbr.65.1307042255734; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si2301257pbi.2.2011.06.02.12.17.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QSDOh-0007vD-22 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:17:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:17:35 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pa mo'o mu moi javni Message-ID: <20110602191734.GN11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110602051931.GF11152@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 11:00:03AM -0400, .arpis. wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >=20 > > > 2011/6/1 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis >=20 > > > (Comments on my lojban expression of this welcome) ) > > > > Good, cuz I waz gonna. :) > > > > I actually pretty much figured it out, which is a good sign I think. > > I prefer using causals for this sort of construct, though; > > > > mi zmadu se pluka se mu'i lo nu da'i de'u se krasi li'o > > >=20 > The thing I don't like about that is that it's not clear which one I pref= er. (I meant "mu'i" rather than "se mu'i") Sure it does; you would have been more pleased if it had started with X; that means you prefer X. Do also note "zmanei": rlpowell@chain> dl zmanei =20 1 definition found From Lojban to English [jbo->en]: Word: {zmanei} Type: lujvo Gloss Word: {like better} Gloss Word: {prefer} Definition: n1 prefers n2 over z2, because of property/quantity z3, by margin z4. Notes: Cf. {zmazau}. > > As a style comment, the ".e nai zo'e" seems pretty pointless; > > either say what you mean (".e nai lo'u da'a no lo le'u") or skip > > it. > > > In English, I might have said something like "[...] and not ..." > where I would trail off and use extra-linguistic means to convey > the second place of "and". {.e nai zo'e} seems to do exactly that, > and I imagine {co'e} and {zo'e} will see much more use in speech > than they seem to in writing. Ah, I see what you're going for there; interesting. I'd still leave it off, but it's a pure style issue. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.