From lojban+bncCKyEq_TBFBDNj5zwBBoEgCdsCA@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 26 03:20:17 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QamRk-0004iT-Gm; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:20:16 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf4229179gxk.16 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:20:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id :in-reply-to:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tnD1HQiSKIn3zL4zYXZ+pK57f5bZrSQk4Oob90nJynI=; b=W/ER+ObZKB0MwBmu/Eh98whPqofJOv0iYP4DKmvpEt1VOVO4QwCF/lksJvclaInNGj 6Ivg2NHd58beAm6FaNy55HfA3LobM6q/xt+06W3F4WEJyckH4c/c6bfj47qkms5cFVUh MGqA5k15LBwLewmAOPTY8CUaiC/eKsmwu1gUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=YFAUnb0QRY+urKSTOjxuzVQhvTV/fJ+zS+gd2jXMquQw7jmP/2CXZIgfFmkxbmOM56 z7Rl7/XbH1TzaDvpHBUTPhHPlhLKikEkdH+dudfh+6o3Cecyf2DDOwEqc5cfAtZ6krSe 42vTSZOZ4qTJms1bP4+gipfSakabfaZ14Fw1c= Received: by 10.101.40.13 with SMTP id s13mr510260anj.12.1309083597360; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:19:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.205.15 with SMTP id h15ls1037anq.6.gmail; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.72.2 with SMTP id z2mr531400ank.9.1309083596102; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 03:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Muhammad Nael Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <6448551.5872.1309083595020.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqy9> In-Reply-To: <693518.25595.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: muhammad.nael@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5871_19254203.1309083595018" ------=_Part_5871_19254203.1309083595018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Just to clear things up, *Renodre=CC=81* is my first creation. Unfortunatel= y, I=20 can=E2=80=99t upload any guides for several reasons, the most apparent bein= g that I=20 only keep notes and it would be too much to digitize, especially in such an= =20 early phase, even the name can change! I=E2=80=99m not very good in the phonology =E2=80=98stuff=E2=80=99, I=E2=80= =99m mainly having problems in=20 consonant clusters, I just can=E2=80=99t get it right. *Renodre=CC=81 *is a= =20 root-words-based language, so there are many possible combinations to make,= =20 which also creates many consonant clusters that I=E2=80=99m having headache= s trying=20 to deal with. Vowels within syllables also pose a problem, they=E2=80=99re = long and=20 sometimes hard to pronounce in certain combinations, mainly (CaCeC-) and=20 (CaCoC-). I=E2=80=99ll just say it that I=E2=80=99ll take *Renodre=CC=81 *as a 'tried= and failed' attempt,=20 I=E2=80=99ll most probably start it all over again, but I need some serious= advice=20 before I do that. I=E2=80=99ve read some articles on constructing languages= , and=20 making a tree diagram I went deeper and deeper but without any specific=20 curriculum that aids me or a book that tells me the basics easily. I=E2=80= =99ve=20 looked into some known books (whose names I don=E2=80=99t recall), but they= =E2=80=99re too=20 big, too expensive and very difficult to find here in Egypt. An example of it: *Renodre=CC=81* R_n_d__ [to wonder] _e___ [tense: present] ___o_ [kind:=20 general] ___r/e=CC=81 [subj: masculine/singular] Clearly, I need urgent help! No pressure! Best Regards. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/IPCjwHexKEQJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_5871_19254203.1309083595018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to clear things up, Ren= odre=CC=81 is my first creation. Unfortunately, I can=E2=80=99t upload any guides for sev= eral reasons, the most apparent being that I only keep notes and it would be too much to digitize, especially in such an early phase, even the name can chan= ge!

I=E2=80=99m not very good in th= e phonology =E2=80=98stuff=E2=80=99, I=E2=80=99m mainly having problems in consonant clusters, I just can=E2=80= =99t get it right. Renodre=CC=81 is a root-words-based language, so there are many possible combinations= to make, which also creates many consonant clusters that I=E2=80=99m having he= adaches trying to deal with. Vowels within syllables also pose a problem, they=E2= =80=99re long and sometimes hard to pronounce in certain combinations, mainly (CaCeC-) an= d (CaCoC-).

I=E2=80=99ll just say it that I= =E2=80=99ll take Renodre=CC=81 as a 'tried and failed' attempt, I=E2=80=99ll most probably start it al= l over again, but I need some serious advice before I do that. I=E2=80=99ve read some art= icles on constructing languages, and making a tree diagram I went deeper and deeper = but without any specific curriculum that aids me or a book that tells me the ba= sics easily. I=E2=80=99ve looked into some known books (whose names I don=E2=80= =99t recall), but they=E2=80=99re too big, too expensive and very difficult to find here in E= gypt.

An example of it:

Renodre=CC=81

R_n_d__ [to wonder]        _e___ [tense: present]    = ;    ___o_ [kind: general]        ___r/e=CC=81 [subj: masculine/singular]<= /p>

Clearly, I need urgent help! No= pressure!

Best Regar= ds.

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