From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARCn253wBBoEl-Ip-w@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 26 10:34:44 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QatEG-0002Tg-Lr; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:44 -0700 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33sf2651444pzk.1 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=rsCQHVPr8Y4dsKXaqBSiB3nJqPmkqQyl7oUmMSWRxos=; b=l9K/5Hxqw0VoBNTr6matpN4zgl4KU0n/YQAf5/IwjKcqvJPgL8vUsXXllqCu9oKCjX NKXz37A/baQs/RKpOIdRbECJDUJd/YPrj4DFS4b4GlWbqb2I8Me72TWu/ZX5e8YsTR0N 1v0UuSQbReQMZJYb6fWOZmLt4hlvJ/mbRwEBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=eUB9um48dD4oxiTfjuxYDuQdVHg1oh2HRbjFF0kjfZWTcKMU8BlzkS+rTlp0EoFQ7C Mh65aBEcADfASd6yxtv4kqjMdioIDr7BtfM+BF8xVGhX+Ng9WL+hzYvG+6IFbOn7P2fe GnN1sO21HAxy+7ACx2Y3/syN0EFbMNjG9dSZ8= Received: by 10.68.5.34 with SMTP id p2mr854465pbp.16.1309109671272; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.59.41 with SMTP id w9ls1211433pbq.1.gmail; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr1084095pbg.3.1309109670299; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.164 with SMTP id d4mr1084094pbg.3.1309109670288; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f173.google.com (mail-pv0-f173.google.com [74.125.83.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9si3298819pbc.2.2011.06.26.10.34.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.173; Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3so3098098pvg.18 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.7.4 with SMTP id f4mr2527246pba.208.1309109670140; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.51.196 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:34:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:34:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be. From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec517a7cadc5ba604a6a0d85f --bcaec517a7cadc5ba604a6a0d85f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The main way I expect Lojban to change in the coming years is to > develop much more vocabulary. Particularly filling out the lujvo > space, and also probably more fu'ivla and I hope some interesting > zi'evla. Lojban feels like a language that wants to have a lot lot > lot of vocabulary. We insist that every word has just one meaning. > There's this sense that what you do is simply choose the word that > means exactly what you're actually saying. But so far we mostly have > these bland fuzzy gismu. I think Lojban will feel more like the > precise language we imagine it to be, with words directly capturing > all sorts of subtle flavors. People will always be saying, "You know > what I think is the perfect word to describe that?" and then pulling > out some rich obscure precise descriptive term. > > mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o There's a flip side to this in that essay by camgusmis about computer terms. Namely, good Lojban uses the least precise terms necessary to avoid confusion in context. I tend to agree with that side, other than with regard to things like jargon, or other highly specific things. mu'o mi'e .latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec517a7cadc5ba604a6a0d85f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The main way I expect Lojban to change in the coming years is to
develop much more vocabulary. =A0Particularly filling out the lujvo
space, and also probably more fu'ivla and I hope some interesting
zi'evla. =A0Lojban feels like a language that wants to have a lot lot lot of vocabulary. =A0We insist that every word has just one meaning.
There's this sense that what you do is simply choose the word that
means exactly what you're actually saying. =A0But so far we mostly have=
these bland fuzzy gismu. =A0I think Lojban will feel more like the
precise language we imagine it to be, with words directly capturing
all sorts of subtle flavors. =A0People will always be saying, "You kno= w
what I think is the perfect word to describe that?" and then pulling out some rich obscure precise descriptive term.

mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o
There's a flip sid= e to this in that essay by camgusmis about computer terms. Namely, good Loj= ban uses the least precise terms necessary to avoid confusion in context. I= tend to agree with that side, other than with regard to things like jargon= , or other highly specific things.

mu'o mi'e .latros.
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