From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDWoqjwBBoE9edWbg@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 28 10:37:41 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QbcED-0007st-AD; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:41 -0700 Received: by yxa15 with SMTP id 15sf440056yxa.16 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ywIFoz2MHqTiABwU24EllYo0unwBgL3pMTjncGpzWEE=; b=qtekD8fcvBLZCHMrL/XsDEaIS6Gq19/sQaIA1ili7Sfby96m7mXKc+VpVGUSmsNY/A QnFEOdCgwKZpTGN0mygbmy+qrGBU3UtjPhq174ZscXhtSdPMQp2nas6un2BXtHOGt7Ge qKqyGcglVjcOrsIaBOFocOV4TLVPw7iUzwnaU= Received: by 10.151.8.14 with SMTP id l14mr1048432ybi.73.1309282646400; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.33.30 with SMTP id l30ls233146ybj.0.gmail; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.111.10 with SMTP id v10mr4077531yhg.43.1309282644551; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.111.10 with SMTP id v10mr4077529yhg.43.1309282644501; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.214]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id x55si218183yhi.2.2011.06.28.10.37.24; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.214 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.214; Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 17:37:24 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.114] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 17:37:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2011 17:37:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 205449.8345.bm@omp1019.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99691 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2011 17:37:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n.kFgzAVM1kGt6cLwXUsI4iNH872YS6eEotvOv_yTmdWNTp qbIgxy3OIcyk20GnSw.__5N22Rr46opspdRrTWvI2eCY3WeLZD.u2EhHGW9h 0lUwGpsavGmgHA72zWY5nFGSfap8TrdUJCVUHP11ir5w7rXAMzzbzMfEmtNQ TXOpFDTUuWldBdzYMx7oxXk_MSRNSjxwOMT9lJPnPIah3E1PdkvGnmj2dIdZ ZyXHMuAB2GM8Va0lrAEfoW24MSUS7QA2Sj7dpx3UXQWtpqMF2.PhsnaVO8CV 1lOCBYp0ThVC6W2hx9bUlZeU2h3EQoHB9mDgctpgpAONeElI52CkLB8448mB L3uKL_1tbRA8n07n7IkrEAjtULaFvFu5OZk.zbsBYsNoddfTcEih3cm4G8oq UWlZkGwYlNL89rJGoQynRjCjb8hWlsfAQVcUO4y2Y21CRmVLJzUkXrW4koE4 7QC5LNiGp7rHlYVlb.mwhLr2NWNUT5bHitoh7t8ymA1gS1j3UStCx9KnKTJ0 Nhvz_B.2wY.HUOwtPGhLdApNKkjsOCwVEeHQ4DHolFTxtRtZwaNm0dA3NwRk ri2AebqvBqEU- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/572 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <6680585.1597.1309280025515.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqdx5> Message-ID: <1309282643.94739.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be. To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <6680585.1597.1309280025515.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqdx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-744871079-1309282643=:94739" --0-744871079-1309282643=:94739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think I ever knew the algorithms for deriving words (note that selecting the words for input is an uncontrolled factor). Actually, a priori gismu generation shouldn't be too bad, since they have to fit into fairly narrow areas (phonotactic rules , CC in the first 4 letters, end in a vowel). I have tried it, but a couple of people have used http://wordgenerator.wakayos.com/Default.aspx?wordo=tokiponaV2.wordo. This version is set up for toki pona, but all the tools are there to work on your own system. ________________________________ From: Muhammad Nael To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 11:53:45 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be. I'm aware of Lojban's multi-language origins, but just saying that it used 'algorithms' isn't enough. The rest of your post says clearly that it was so complex for 'normal' available word generation software or -to explain in a post for that matter-. For priori languages however, do you know of a good offline pattern based word generator? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/taehN3q92iMJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0-744871079-1309282643=:94739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think I ever knew the algorithms for deriving words (n= ote that selecting the words for input is an uncontrolled factor).
Actua= lly, a priori gismu generation shouldn't be too bad, since they have to fit= into fairly narrow areas (phonotactic rules , CC in the first 4 letters, e= nd in a vowel).  I have tried it, but a couple of people have used http://wordgenerator.wakayos.com/Default.aspx?= wordo=3DtokiponaV2.wordo.  This version is set up for toki = pona, but all the tools are there to work on your own system.

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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And ho= w it could be.

I'm aware of Lojban's multi-language origins, but just saying that it used = 'algorithms' isn't enough. The rest of your post says clearly that it was s= o complex for 'normal' available word generation software or -to explain in= a post for that matter-. For priori languages however, do you know = of a good offline pattern based word generator?

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