From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDp1ZjvBBoEpyaDsw@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 01 05:05:11 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRkAe-0007PR-6r; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:05:11 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf3236738vxk.16 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:05:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Brq6JEgrg+JTvztNJvvJkqmy74p/X7rfDihD1mI40/k=; b=GeZntbpG1DhmFRRrsgen/U4z3NjhX4x/nNpSdr75v8GaV2G7duqrw134b/aZxbnuYd YOuS7ArahZ866Yqy8HAQi23XEz6yRzzS0rbjXga9HIEu/G7KDqSNg2RQtIr7+9yWz3nX bUhXsT3KMo7HHoF+JLuQw+IbC8eBCVNkJFuCQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Md1yVR2ciuGDpoIIR34919UMYse2Nejrp2z0AaKnG2dDlUA+LqJcyw7xHQW6KWI3RP Dnff1v7emMyA9KJSemzC/RmDfWC6046hfkUjvRyKOd917jDKp0GYfxeHwZIer1cxkd5G dYEeQwV6mJKMHS48FCzH5kDDUWeE5ko8Z2nMw= Received: by 10.220.192.67 with SMTP id dp3mr272682vcb.16.1306929897417; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.96.197 with SMTP id du5ls175842vdb.1.gmail; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.100.40 with SMTP id ev8mr466164vdb.0.1306929896373; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.100.40 with SMTP id ev8mr466163vdb.0.1306929896363; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a10si756500vdt.0.2011.06.01.05.04.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.173; Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so2111262qyk.11 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.196.67 with SMTP id ef3mr3578738qab.157.1306929895964; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 05:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.34.83 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:04:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110531221833.GL11152@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110528045431.GQ11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528171828.GR11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110528175221.GT11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531184223.GG11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531190228.GI11152@digitalkingdom.org> <20110531221833.GL11152@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:04:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] [nomik] pamoi javni From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:26:47PM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> >> =A0Which is in turn, why I am confused. =A0To call something "Nomic", wh= en >> it really isn't (especially since there potentially aleph-null things >> that ARE), is confusing to me. > > It's a nomic, it's just that the thrust of the game is a set of > temporary sub-rules rather than the permanent rules. =A0You are > entirely welcome to run a different nomic if you like. > >> So how does one play this "pretending-to-be-Nomic" game? > > See my other post with an example from the FRC mailing list. =A0I kind > of assumed people would check the mailing list themselves if they > cared; sorry for not posting that sooner. > I had, before, and couldn't make heads or tails out of THAT, either. That's why I asked for help, which you provided in the other thread, and for that I am grateful. >> For example, even though I've never played Agora ( >> http://www.agoranomic.org/ ) , as least Agora is recognizable as >> being a Nomic, although probably more complex than the governing >> of some real world micronations! (current ruleset at >> http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt ) > > I'd rather gnaw off my toes than play a game like that. I'm with ya there. No way I could follow all of those rules, either. But at least they have a basis in Nomic. 'twas all my point was. In my experience, most nomic games end well before that level of complexity is reached. (I don't think we ever went beyond forty new rules). --gejyspa > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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