From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCZ8KvwBBoEm6VNaw@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 29 03:02:17 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qbrb2-0000oY-AM; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:16 -0700 Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8sf687841pwj.16 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+NnCMI4T1zIC1uhJ38U3nrsVhH70rUA4KrVp2ShCZPs=; b=Mix3dk3mvJJBztIbz99OKyiqrvv6cz0q7QQlb9zYHt0s950wtBhrjwpVm3vbiXixuX m5oQWQix6uR1MJFinUtmZ6Gl7pENicUvpz3E2AUwHYajTwxhkyJMcp99+N3Jlzvjxj3+ 4GcHzSt2OG9BY3n2Uu1v0yoBdTtVUXUB9HBgw= Received: by 10.68.65.113 with SMTP id w17mr109691pbs.53.1309341721796; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.31.67 with SMTP id y3ls1123178pbh.3.gmail; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.13.72 with SMTP id f8mr141486pbc.28.1309341720777; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.13.72 with SMTP id f8mr141485pbc.28.1309341720763; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f52.google.com (mail-pz0-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si2189528pbn.1.2011.06.29.03.02.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.52; Received: by mail-pz0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 13so1059290pzd.39 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.31.198 with SMTP id c6mr836606pbi.402.1309341720496; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.47.170 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:01:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <0978f791-223c-4a08-9e67-a8cbf303beab@h17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Escape Landsome wrote= : > How were the mock rhyme songs of A's A in W translated ? > > Did you first translate the original rhyme song, then adapt to the > parody ? =A0 Or, were the parody translated directly with no translation > of the reference ? > > This is an important question. > > Well, at least, if there is a translation of A's A in W, there is > *some* pragmatic of lojbanic expressions, --- even if it is pragmatics > of a non-existent world, (alas). Well, you'd have to ask xorxes about that, but the list (and links) of translated texts can be found here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DTexts+in+Lojban Certainly, some things were adapted, as they always were when translating Alice into different languages. The classic example in the lojban was of the pun "We called him Tortoise, because he taught us" is "mi'a te cmene ra lu ractu cafmi'a li'u ki'u lo nu ra ctuca mi'a " ("We called him Lapine Frequent-laugher because he taught us") ("ractu cafmi'a/ra ctuca mi'a") --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.