From lojban+bncCMGclZyxExDv-KzwBBoE7Vxvew@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 29 07:53:48 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qbw9C-0002TJ-Fe; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:48 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf1488155qwh.16 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eTuJ0GXfHzrHv7IQuC/Tt0WIBAxgE6A45ACjIjxDVBw=; b=TUJVUg7E4gCSCcTMEqO3tjtRW7fVb2tL2y6X1jiCWtKfgo7KUb8csnbkh2LDLJND5e Piy6WpKqw7OEiWYpcju+bowz4QCR9gGw66Dgu/OQsj0YfEYCVcekidofOqReA9FBWmeN 3acWaJZ8M0RbQfYEumt0lk0ANs8mCnVzoHHrc= Received: by 10.229.44.69 with SMTP id z5mr86374qce.28.1309359215645; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.145 with SMTP id cw17ls321935qab.2.gmail; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.38.197 with SMTP id c5mr958967qae.6.1309359214599; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.38.197 with SMTP id c5mr958965qae.6.1309359214573; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f173.google.com ([209.85.220.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k34si1167292qcj.3.2011.06.29.07.53.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.173; Received: by mail-vx0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 11so1392029vxc.18 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.99.163 with SMTP id er3mr1256017vdb.86.1309359214380; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.129 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1309357996.97870.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <18295425.2260.1308825326908.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqie9> <0978f791-223c-4a08-9e67-a8cbf303beab@h17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <20110629054845.GN8547@digitalkingdom.org> <1309357996.97870.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:53:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: translations and pragmatism (was Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be.) From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Pragmatic" is related to semiotics. In semiotics, there are three levels : Syntax, Semantics and Pragmatics Syntax tells us how to put words together, Semantics gives us their meaning once assembled, and Pragmatics tells us how they relate to "what we know about the world". The frontier between Semantics and Pragmatics is somewhat blurry, as for instance, a semantic import of the word "banana" would be "a yellow long curve-shaped edible fruit" but a pragmatic content would be that one slips over a banana peel in Merry Melodies, or that monkeys do appreciate them a lot... But why not put "yellow" and "curve-shaped" into pragmatics as well ? -- .esk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.