From lojban+bncCJKRpP31BRCDoaXvBBoEOZ6XJQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 03 14:22:26 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QSboz-0008Ap-K1; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:22:26 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2571719qwh.16 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:22:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MFV/9now9UQ0zGLzxkeqJZjkEtLT33DGS/QqTc3ZBkM=; b=q3IVKcME5f/PWRbrLtpMkQQPP1ladvJBgvlVCaHX38HFRVzHn9kgdstcBGOsWyzH3q lz5XhLNN8nJNs+dBKi1ZWt30ABVhvi0Zv/5KfKLjuEHqilJfmvULjNM8GoGrPxhBGImy UYx11xPF0A6ygT0ZAJHkCOSScdtGvEg56u8CQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kIgMfZzFDJsw8FJW3sfGfXZkbhxmfGSvnIXi/UqqSTafJp6GrEVvnEZQToY4pQUXlT dfmSozsdYSVwMxpoiZUzrLOQUjDq4N8eLwo8OjqFZ+9xbmLrw9s3dAfG6tG06UUJBt8G e1migdAqsjraAQv4e+Fca6bmjZKV9GrO1MNbM= Received: by 10.229.42.212 with SMTP id t20mr274754qce.46.1307136131646; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.145 with SMTP id cw17ls596231qab.2.gmail; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.138 with SMTP id ew10mr100670qab.12.1307136131161; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.6 with SMTP id f6msqan; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.32.129 with SMTP id c1mr147119qad.40.1307050174159; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/534.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/13.0.767.1 Safari/534.36,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <657c86cf-7dd2-471d-8ed0-65b5f9c22497@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Phonology of L vs R (probleme with japanese speakers ?) From: Zifre To: lojban X-Original-Sender: kmicklas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Japanese speakers just have to learn to pronounce these sounds, just as English speakers have to learn not to pronounce x like ' or k. If a Japanese speaker simply couldn't make the distinction, the only words that I can see causing confusion are "lo" and "ro". mu'o mi'e zif On May 28, 8:52=A0am, Escape Landsome wrote: > Hello, > > please be patient with me in the case the question has already be > posted, but... I wonder ... > > As you may now, Japanese speakers do not make distinction between the > [r] and the [l] sounds. =A0For them, they are quite the same thing, > indeed, phonologically speaking, they are the same phoneme (in the > japanese language system). > > So, does it happen there are japanese native speakers in > lojbanistan ? =A0How is this particular problem handled ? > > Thanks ! --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.