From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDj3abvBBoEQZdG7w@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 03 21:05:06 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QSi6f-0004kD-Rk; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:05:06 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2859609qwh.16 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:04:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=SSaq9piRSA3kMI6G120hXw0f1EoiXrrH3XHfHju3hgM=; b=T78GJxeRjf7E018At7i3mGnMf15nqg56saF7KayGz05LL4KPVh6IlgUSav2GedsdbJ n+2qfVS1yL7C41xlbbnB5uC7x7jmMNSubTf8kbURtw/nFPP8AkpSkukeWFr83rnIAGeM 1YMiQq6ZgBbwLy3O0vpGcWpfIufkRe9cCE51Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=mzFM7TyQg1CiGCI/6K0iWOiXF7ihkAt+Ccr1BFg/SH7cNA4W9DdV1+12Hog9v16aV+ RXF1Z8/S5EuYcUVmwuJtOBYxmI8u64D6j3wUWqFpnTi4zK9Uzfm2xrjXwt7qo1VK+ECe QF09C8DC4FFDyw62rxo0bLgQ0be+N0N09w7oc= Received: by 10.224.178.76 with SMTP id bl12mr72103qab.29.1307160291873; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.182.134 with SMTP id cc6ls636794qab.4.gmail; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.201.74 with SMTP id ez10mr219342qab.14.1307160291397; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.201.74 with SMTP id ez10mr219340qab.14.1307160291380; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k32si2180346qcs.1.2011.06.03.21.04.50; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8mDY8c80ZOa76EOwICuS+E2YRQjxDgO9xqUnRMONc7w= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=FPu5D2weCwQA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=pxczFJa_XSoaCvoEcjoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:37658] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 13/FE-00666-1EEA9ED4; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 04:04:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BBD17AA7 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:04:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Phonology of L vs R (probleme with japanese speakers ?) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:04:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <657c86cf-7dd2-471d-8ed0-65b5f9c22497@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <657c86cf-7dd2-471d-8ed0-65b5f9c22497@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106040004.39747.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 02 June 2011 17:29:34 Zifre wrote: > Japanese speakers just have to learn to pronounce these sounds, just > as English speakers have to learn not to pronounce x like ' or k. If a > Japanese speaker simply couldn't make the distinction, the only words > that I can see causing confusion are "lo" and "ro". Anyone want to write the book "xrula xlura"? I came up with the English title "The Flower's Snare" first, but I'm not a pollinatologist. lo nu lacri lo ruble na racli Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.