From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRC7v63vBBoE_xjWrg@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 05 03:51:54 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QTAvt-0006SW-V3; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:54 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf5361397fxm.16 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=X3dwJlouMoV1w3v7D46R7dUaOMH0F9FHCANYzmZ4OxA=; b=U0SCUObf5S/MAOlNPfCmmOyAoFG5vw6xXs/zWqPmoaLzWwDSItfx6ZY+RrWyqlCgok 6JkEo6iQOwRSYc7/3Ez0YavR2sjVy3/gW/YRdws7U+wnQEwr5nwHX1dxAh6MMhIp0J5O YXhE8qdTwZyemKChG0H2loUi44T9V1VmocthI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=v8ad+N9vMxF9gNXp47F5nGlMzmdar9nRP7K1ESYfvWETUfm3DhbJi27/E9m2b4+Dz+ gaoUNkDLqmfAD43LnRfbjn4oJ0+IvGk0dDVeFsGrD0MCU7RyCNPT8wjHrRzbiecBfKR/ lTm1Ft+0cIAOc4hR+wYPlpZZjQacyvLzcVKKY= Received: by 10.223.58.1 with SMTP id e1mr853068fah.11.1307271099357; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.34.76 with SMTP id k12ls1435099bkd.0.gmail; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.34.88 with SMTP id k24mr433004bkd.22.1307271097659; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.34.88 with SMTP id k24mr433003bkd.22.1307271097621; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j17si2043584bkt.3.2011.06.05.03.51.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2177257fxm.26 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.48.139 with SMTP id r11mr1314603faf.63.1307271097181; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.13.20 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 03:51:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201106042321.15877.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 06:51:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] guess a lujvo To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b8d85f677004a4f4c5d1 --00151747b8d85f677004a4f4c5d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay, I get that. I don't know what {jmetijdembi} is, but somebody suggested 'soybean', which seems like an odd choice since there's already "sobde" that means 'soy(a)', so why suggest 'soybean' when there's no "sobde" in Pierre's lujvo? Or is his lujvo possibly just a synonym? stevo On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > The point is: Pierre siad something (in this case {jmetijdembi}). He > clearly meant something specific and he will successful if we can get > it or he can fail in conveying his meaning to us if we can't get a > clue on what he meant. > > The fact that there might other (possibly better) ways of saying what > he wanted to say is relevant, but it's a separate discussion, I think. > > remo.d > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > Don't "soy" and "soya" mean the same thing? And don't they both refer > both > > to the plant/legume and its seed/bean? > > > > stevo > > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >> > >> Not neccessarily. A soy bean is a legume. > >> > >> That said, "Black Pearl Soubean" is the only legume I could find via > >> Google or Wikipedia that has anything to do with jemna or tilju. > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:32 AM, MorphemeAddict > wrote: > >>> > >>> Wouldn't "sobde" (soya) be part of the lujvo if it were 'soy bean'? > >>> > >>> stevo > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Remo Dentato > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I got "soy bean" almost immediately (well, after having decomposed the > >>>> lujvo :) ). Didn't know there was a "Black Pearl" variety. > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Jones > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > Well, the parts are gem/pearl-heavy-legume. > >>>> > > >>>> > Apparently there's a kind of soybean called the "Black Pearl > Soybean". > >>>> > Is > >>>> > that it? > >>>> > > >>>> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Pierre Abbat > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I just made up the word "jmetijdembi". Can you guess what it means? > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Pierre > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > >>>> >> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > >>>> >> .icu'u la ma'atman. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> >> Groups > >>>> >> "lojban" group. > >>>> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> >> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>> > > >>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Okay, I get that. I don't know what {jmetijdembi} is, but somebody= suggested 'soybean', which seems like an odd choice since there= 9;s already "sobde" that means 'soy(a)', so why suggest &= #39;soybean' when there's no "sobde" in Pierre's lujv= o? Or is his lujvo possibly just a synonym?
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stevo

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com= > wrote:
The point is: Pierre siad someth= ing (in this case {jmetijdembi}). He
clearly meant something specific an= d he will successful if we can get
it or he can fail in conveying his meaning to us if we can't get a
c= lue on what he meant.

The fact that there might other (possibly bett= er) ways of saying what
he wanted to say is relevant, but it's a sep= arate discussion, I think.

remo.d

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ; Don't "soy" and "soya" mean the same thing? And d= on't they both refer both
> to the plant/legume and its seed/bean?
>
> stevo
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>= ; Not neccessarily. A soy bean is a legume.
>>
>> That said, "Black Pearl Soubean" is the only= legume I could find via
>> Google or Wikipedia that has anything = to do with jemna or tilju.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3= :32 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wouldn't "sobde" (soya) be part = of the lujvo if it were 'soy bean'?
>>>
>>>= stevo
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Remo= Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I got "soy bean" almost imme= diately (well, after having decomposed the
>>>> lujvo :) ). = Didn't know there was a "Black Pearl" variety.
>>>= ;>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>>>= wrote:
>>>> > Well, the parts are gem/pearl-heavy-legume= .
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently there's a kin= d of soybean called the "Black Pearl Soybean".
>>>>= ; > Is
>>>> > that it?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
>>>= ;> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>= I just made up the word "jmetijdembi". Can you guess what it mea= ns?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Pierre
>>&g= t;> >> --
>>>> >> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi= 9;afra tu'a do
>>>> >> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do j= inga
>>>> >> .icu'u la ma'atman.
>>>> &= gt;>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >=
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> &= gt; mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>> >
>>>>= > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do z= o'o
>>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )>>>> >
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