From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDPy63vBBoEaGIDPA@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 05 04:17:55 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QTBKz-0003GG-3S; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:55 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf1527336gxk.16 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=F0C2aUimuA8MRT4+CZWXU24VahRfuNiHjMaip2M4BxA=; b=nvUHw6Y/rpoVhj8zZ6hzPQG3fPdaAJ+brNqiYcXrjxTvdx+tZn3ui3gpjg2u74S+Rs ZjrIrPjXPVJxkfb6XMkoJeJW3lh6h125ozE3DpMy1iu1fryBccDz29XIYPsny1v3xa53 oda0CcyIGzj0EXjSvJyEd3tfBi5yp0/Jtnhrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qH0xFVE2oO3UTDubU8sHNi8AxXEighJJZwAbnkCjGO/rL5uhSc1K4rW5dsdCFyAgyK ezd/zhr9SThPOGREeqooEBsFjvSfC12XpI54pxrBsgYRA1ra9u/3sJAb0jZTkqyQtHYh vLFpjxdEh0spJpGQSyuBA/CK5nl9wZXnfAVIA= Received: by 10.101.141.20 with SMTP id t20mr393088ann.20.1307272655245; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.193.39 with SMTP id ds39ls3282334ibb.3.gmail; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.146.130 with SMTP id j2mr1976122icv.101.1307272654505; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.146.130 with SMTP id j2mr1976121icv.101.1307272654453; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14si1339796icn.7.2011.06.05.04.17.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; Received: by mail-iw0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 8so2728823iwn.30 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.61.198 with SMTP id u6mr5955240ibh.160.1307272654234; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.182.71 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 04:17:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201106042321.15877.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 05:17:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] guess a lujvo From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015177411a82e23b204a4f522d6 --0015177411a82e23b204a4f522d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because the Black Pearl Soybean, a specific kind of soybean, is the only legume I could find that has anything to do with precious stones or heaviness. (I doubt it's right, but a wrong guess is still better than none at all.) On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:51 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Okay, I get that. I don't know what {jmetijdembi} is, but somebody > suggested 'soybean', which seems like an odd choice since there's already > "sobde" that means 'soy(a)', so why suggest 'soybean' when there's no > "sobde" in Pierre's lujvo? Or is his lujvo possibly just a synonym? > > stevo > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > >> The point is: Pierre siad something (in this case {jmetijdembi}). He >> clearly meant something specific and he will successful if we can get >> it or he can fail in conveying his meaning to us if we can't get a >> clue on what he meant. >> >> The fact that there might other (possibly better) ways of saying what >> he wanted to say is relevant, but it's a separate discussion, I think. >> >> remo.d >> >> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, MorphemeAddict >> wrote: >> > Don't "soy" and "soya" mean the same thing? And don't they both refer >> both >> > to the plant/legume and its seed/bean? >> > >> > stevo >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Not neccessarily. A soy bean is a legume. >> >> >> >> That said, "Black Pearl Soubean" is the only legume I could find via >> >> Google or Wikipedia that has anything to do with jemna or tilju. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:32 AM, MorphemeAddict >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Wouldn't "sobde" (soya) be part of the lujvo if it were 'soy bean'? >> >>> >> >>> stevo >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Remo Dentato >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I got "soy bean" almost immediately (well, after having decomposed >> the >> >>>> lujvo :) ). Didn't know there was a "Black Pearl" variety. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Jones >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > Well, the parts are gem/pearl-heavy-legume. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Apparently there's a kind of soybean called the "Black Pearl >> Soybean". >> >>>> > Is >> >>>> > that it? >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Pierre Abbat >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> I just made up the word "jmetijdembi". Can you guess what it >> means? >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Pierre >> >>>> >> -- >> >>>> >> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do >> >>>> >> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga >> >>>> >> .icu'u la ma'atman. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> -- >> >>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> >> Groups >> >>>> >> "lojban" group. >> >>>> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >> zo'o >> >>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> > Groups >> >>>> > "lojban" group. >> >>>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>> "lojban" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "lojban" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "lojban" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015177411a82e23b204a4f522d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because the Black Pearl Soybean, a specific kind of soybean, is the only le= gume I could find that has anything to do with precious stones or heaviness= . (I doubt it's right, but a wrong guess is still better than none at a= ll.)

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:51 AM, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail= .com> wrote:
Okay, I get that. I don't know what {jmetijdembi} is, but somebody= suggested 'soybean', which seems like an odd choice since there= 9;s already "sobde" that means 'soy(a)', so why suggest &= #39;soybean' when there's no "sobde" in Pierre's lujv= o? Or is his lujvo possibly just a synonym?
=A0
stevo

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Remo Dentato <= rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
The point is: Pierre siad something (= in this case {jmetijdembi}). He
clearly meant something specific and he = will successful if we can get
it or he can fail in conveying his meaning to us if we can't get a
c= lue on what he meant.

The fact that there might other (possibly bett= er) ways of saying what
he wanted to say is relevant, but it's a sep= arate discussion, I think.

remo.d

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:37 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:> Don't "soy" and "soya" mean the same thing? = And don't they both refer both
> to the plant/legume and its seed/bean?
>
> stevo
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not neccessarily. A soy bean is a legume.
>>
>> That said, "Black Pearl Soubean" is the only= legume I could find via
>> Google or Wikipedia that has anything = to do with jemna or tilju.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3= :32 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wouldn't "sobde" (soya) be part = of the lujvo if it were 'soy bean'?
>>>
>>>= stevo
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Remo= Dentato <rdenta= to@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I got "soy bean" almost imme= diately (well, after having decomposed the
>>>> lujvo :) ). = Didn't know there was a "Black Pearl" variety.
>>>= ;>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Well, the parts are gem/= pearl-heavy-legume.
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently there's a kin= d of soybean called the "Black Pearl Soybean".
>>>>= ; > Is
>>>> > that it?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu&= gt;
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>= ;>> >> I just made up the word "jmetijdembi". Can you= guess what it means?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Pierre
>>&g= t;> >> --
>>>> >> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi= 9;afra tu'a do
>>>> >> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do j= inga
>>>> >> .icu'u la ma'atman.
>>>> &= gt;>
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>>>> >
>>>> >=
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> &= gt; mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>> >
>>>>= > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do z= o'o
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