From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDJoNrvBBoEgMCbug@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 13 15:33:58 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWFhj-0006Ip-Ks; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:58 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf3382759vxk.16 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0aWDxjcLISRf0jgRx/VezIXgJkLoatcy/io1ghpMPNs=; b=Dib1IFPq/bM/Ki7EieN8/F9/QbvMO2c5FJE8xKKIhtzk4EJ3MTD/fvq0XL6nLevy22 TBFq4551jwgluuM+LW9TKOunnzEpFu4N59uHGg3L1keMnTrAAR+W1fABTTZWKCIzn8/l 4Y0xL4XRj1fnXntA8/O7KmJ6lx0Dynh2HF+4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UFcYIY5jSkX13oZMLHZjogoxqOaFnq0W/hB+uSqOf7hmv/UDqkx3grxri7BI2lDMpX LLF3OzvYY7mgFvYtT75lcoiFxvbfaVaDu8s4VVySuFQHu+jxH3iaBrMLNPUz1ugDPo+m FALn/FoQRFeOwQFSkNiTNcxg5/epxNWlZvWhs= Received: by 10.220.90.211 with SMTP id j19mr676389vcm.36.1308004425564; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.76.10 with SMTP id g10ls2081482vdw.3.gmail; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.68 with SMTP id j4mr2021998vdv.17.1308004424990; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.73.68 with SMTP id j4mr2021997vdv.17.1308004424980; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f176.google.com ([209.85.220.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jq3si3524134vdb.3.2011.06.13.15.33.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.176; Received: by vxa37 with SMTP id 37so4912204vxa.7 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.176.1 with SMTP id ce1mr6048941vdc.63.1308004424766; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.234 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110613200021.GW9936@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110613174139.GT9936@digitalkingdom.org> <20110613200021.GW9936@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:33:44 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Hey xorxes: I need some tutoring. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I'm trying to understand how "lo rozgu cu xunre" and "lo rozgu cu > blabi" both make sense in xorlo, and what that implies, because > apparently I've forgotten. Outside of all context, they do sound a bit contradictory, yes. Just like "ta zunle gi'e pritu" may sound contradictory. How can something be to the left and to the right? Probably because it's to the left of something and to the right of something else, or because it's to the left at one time and to the right (of the same thing) at some other time, and so on. It's hard to tell without any context. "Roses are red and roses are white" doesn't sound very useful by itself, but if you add more context, "[on this side of the garden] roses are red, and [on that side of the garden] roses are white" is better. Or "roses are sometimes red and sometimes white". So just like something can go from being left to being right at different times, then something (roses, in this case) can go from being red to being white at different places. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.