From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCKytrvBBoEMNKWQA@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 13 17:02:43 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWH5R-0000KO-Na; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:43 -0700 Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12sf4692695yie.16 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=g/JxSWTb6wD/IJJ2OZyMcKVdOIXq+YQMkLTdqjGZcNk=; b=RHn1OoQ02zDz2LcXCLiQfIjjktvYxltVM/TNeqncawmYx0Scmz84Fk7CcrkmipPFq6 gdAZOhPb/8xULTwmzfMm5XHwK/6p9HyCuI/rxdYI7SPtJWq14kpG2QyMFgxmsyoRqcZG hArioT6ZNsISI7BTK8rW0zpfyje2V/RNp5pNI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=6t9u/5LQVWBniWYVaIOLWxlADNC3jsoc3h+r557yKh1oGGi5zqwn3z2e4Oofte2QmE eC/LLRPsx7RMqa9VRxqLDmCSuPcm+Y/xqEe0jOdvgxm3m/J8FSxpQhdDOmZduTrHaWvX ebNfOcek1VRAwTbPaMkKOEJ2a8QLuUUeNLu/U= Received: by 10.101.86.11 with SMTP id o11mr513100anl.16.1308009738905; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.204.17 with SMTP id g17ls762682anq.5.gmail; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.78.20 with SMTP id a20mr2836648anb.12.1308009737906; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.78.20 with SMTP id a20mr2836647anb.12.1308009737889; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.255]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id v1si6487874anh.2.2011.06.13.17.02.17; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.255 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.255; Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2011 00:02:17 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2011 00:02:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2011 00:02:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 550581.56618.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70681 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2011 00:02:17 -0000 Message-ID: <402033.62542.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DF3KaygVM1mvE2xQx9FJxg3b71SxGfEf_8wsPfvUpvbAXQt BKJscG2460z9sYCWrIVNDxOU7jtt5R7k_5VFQT0CGEYyczLDjgUmmfPRSj.X hxnW1_NvEPhEfJMZ3aqS1HrQw9qtM556uHcAC1xMwLuP8aCV4C47UqZM8P3. ABrNGvffXioql7EobUa8Hm8vDtQnQ_k2XYHsMIsUPNgNJ2YJ4XbQJAQjl_2Z WOvIpKwG7BjYH21Y.1FrNj3PgiJIaNC1hLG.VvIxxq4qnXPB.0.vu_Aa7btW WqXfQXvHw.F2LUK5dTMbpwQ9gYfUJJMh7fj12.ZMjFmAtRA1Gbu1RFBHJl_R pfc8u.rXRtG4ii.XtTcYt4J.HvkBnwIeLvSzb8c0KCTqDf6NMXmjo8vpbIJ4 HjaXBB_m.4veLN5Ja3jfQPPmhxF8NmbWa9cEav1CbdhYgTOC.Xb2anLzcDt6 l_72JFYVq0c..pHbNDcgsIi4brA7B_zWsuYrG6x9r5VZJD51ujSonGha3Qo3 WYNCZU5eYoPcUxPBazkszfCNFQ2O4MZZQ_zIy_xci5V9NToXS6b29oVHqT4b 7pHnAargf3aFG3Esh Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <20110613174139.GT9936@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Hey xorxes: I need some tutoring. To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20110613174139.GT9936@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.255 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Quite another problem with the cited reference. It seems to say that {ro lo rozgu} and {ro rozgu} are equivalent, as I hope they are not. The first talks about each and every one of a bunch of roses (which roses to be worked out from context if necessary) while the second talks about each and every rose, period, essentially {ro da poi rozgu}, so not equivalent (as far as I can tell). ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 12:41:39 PM Subject: [lojban] Hey xorxes: I need some tutoring. So I'm getting back into some seriously Lojbanning (I'm talking in #jbopre pretty regularily, and almost entirely in Lojban), and something came up, which was "lo lojbo ka'a prenu", which seemed odd to me, and then I noticed the "lo rozgu cu xunre" example at http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gadri So, I believe that "lo rozgu cu blabi" is also perfectly fine, and I'd like to explain (again, I know; I'm asking as an unreasonable favour :), either here or on IRC, how that works. In particular, is xorlo {lo rozgu} do'a like {su'o rozgu} except without the implications about existence and distributivity and so on? ta'o I thought of translating the above, but I've no idea what I mean by "In particular,", and I don't feel like disecting it right now; others should full free, though. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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