From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEMHD2-8EGgTmMxei@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 13 21:25:23 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWLBm-0005sl-L9; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:25:22 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf2430675pzk.16 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=DCcNQZi98YQFFa0P7Ki0BOCM3AgjCHX7mhfy9P2U+PQ=; b=q258M0PYoHQ/D72b9j52HtMsZekJEESNvQnzjCN3cNpHyWHItEnkKhNJ9aDVL/JpV2 ehwd/ttMqSMUU4+YFXi8xmshoMOSruOPqoQkfj1PnJjku5TqXIpDKvjvqXrI804Y419W avTNkWH+Jw99RLG+aBv1A6O+lStNIx3aW/Dpg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=JW9AjJuwK/lvKl+5nhCEUkBOCe3dylXXiulJtplFNM7fMQTk9frHlfz4a1cf5WCFTa b0OTB0w9IH61w8PbbASXwxZM/XmwEkoZE4PzOz9OSkGwjNWQOq3P+sxMi5tIuxxy/YD9 dgojMPXpfbzmjNCd0KfN2yDJ9Q+MHKJb19bOI= Received: by 10.142.216.8 with SMTP id o8mr811491wfg.29.1308025281937; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.39.41 with SMTP id m9ls1565064pbk.2.gmail; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.62.69 with SMTP id w5mr1115072pbr.59.1308025280424; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.62.69 with SMTP id w5mr1115071pbr.59.1308025280412; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si15332072pbc.0.2011.06.13.21.21.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWL7v-0004H5-E1 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:21:19 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Hey xorxes: I need some tutoring. Message-ID: <20110614042119.GA9936@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110613174139.GT9936@digitalkingdom.org> <402033.62542.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <402033.62542.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline *That* is fascinating. I've made a note on that page. -Robin On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:02:17PM -0700, John E Clifford wrote: > Quite another problem with the cited reference. It seems to say > that {ro lo rozgu} and {ro rozgu} are equivalent, as I hope they > are not. The first talks about each and every one of a bunch of > roses (which roses to be worked out from context if necessary) > while the second talks about each and every rose, period, > essentially {ro da poi rozgu}, so not equivalent (as far as I can > tell). > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Robin Lee Powell > To: lojban-list@lojban.org > Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 12:41:39 PM > Subject: [lojban] Hey xorxes: I need some tutoring. > > > So I'm getting back into some seriously Lojbanning (I'm talking in > #jbopre pretty regularily, and almost entirely in Lojban), and > something came up, which was "lo lojbo ka'a prenu", which seemed odd > to me, and then I noticed the "lo rozgu cu xunre" example at > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gadri > > So, I believe that "lo rozgu cu blabi" is also perfectly fine, and > I'd like to explain (again, I know; I'm asking as an unreasonable > favour :), either here or on IRC, how that works. > > In particular, is xorlo {lo rozgu} do'a like {su'o rozgu} except > without the implications about existence and distributivity and so > on? > > ta'o I thought of translating the above, but I've no idea what I > mean by "In particular,", and I don't feel like disecting it right > now; others should full free, though. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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