From lojban+bncCIfx8JOUAxDpu9_vBBoEzjaQvw@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 14 15:17:27 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWbvI-0007uz-BA; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:26 -0700 Received: by wwb39 with SMTP id 39sf12203365wwb.16 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned :message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CtEUokXnu1BMY+RNbN4/nKuIVxr/xE9phmcivAejFDQ=; b=MQU1SoIbvhXypjVSy/LfDG4gHHAKkDsiN041gqY9V0wPpncSmTNb4sxxKAgWEVSumn iBdSRoeSWxrYKrdcVJbE7+veXSNo+FK+RpBLlHAdFUNq3Fn7wKyUMzk+54GPYfwLMBgI FwHcPF08TsKvia1Mg3KS3KR+HrZHK7RCFdjsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=zLsT8fuoWxfK1ymDGhSxxwHwzIBGVWJIOpwMSBMzmtxsZy5MWGWzgOcH2y34oHFa6H Ks1ghs7K1RgMOWT0j+e5WFPrnwERQCFAsKaFQOwL8q8hE2YA5miuupizL6SdHJnzHwaC zZZXy0/u2FBEf9y9Lbs/xUL4Hspvc50Xsai28= Received: by 10.216.230.228 with SMTP id j78mr3001098weq.23.1308089833793; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.16.205 with SMTP id h53ls800219eeh.5.gmail; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.124.8 with SMTP id w8mr1721487eeh.20.1308089832295; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.124.8 with SMTP id w8mr1721486eeh.20.1308089832279; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (mail.wybt.net. [195.191.196.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4si4390916fab.0.2011.06.14.15.17.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) client-ip=195.191.196.3; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C2248EE5 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:16:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KAqmYv-JF1R for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:d552:24:216:eaff:feb3:4a04] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:d552:24:216:eaff:feb3:4a04]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8105948E57 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DF7DDE5.5040806@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:17:09 +0200 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110606 Icedove/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Hesitation sounds in natural langauge References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) smtp.mail=timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 06/14/2011 09:05 PM, .arpis. wrote: > I have never heard natural (not scripted) lojban conversations, and to the > best of my knowledge, there is only one hesitation sound in lojban (ybu). I've had natural conversations, which also often contain mistakes removed by si or sa, which i consider a kind of "hesitation sound", too. much like english, which also contains repetitions of words that are to be counted as the word only once or wrong words meant to replace earlier words or parts of sentences. this works much more comfortably in lojban IMO. mu'o mi'e timos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.