From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBCns-HvBBoECq9uRQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 15 00:05:23 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWkAD-0001m5-Gb; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:22 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf175319qwh.16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1C4tx7Od0KNDnzO5fnIDVGYZECjbHiv6LUsZXSx+kRI=; b=231wSg47I2bVSNZdtqtLUaCzwRv+nSHqBL+hAAPOKXA+Z+Kc91XBLTcAVuc669ejFe dUhsEdNlWvyHvLyQZcvIep1duBI3R1S86ZrHhwhnx8G1gUzy1YsbMvhFuF9e5ob5dR7N ledeYHte1UeBqDdOMOIwry/9Eq4iGSu/iHqKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BqEsIBdhArxk5tR/dHDkN/RDKWueQ8cnFCDRfYWNMXj2mzFRXnKNjGhVGoJlKwtlQt u6cUtO3U0CNY7A1qSwSL8ub/oJt8zdjeikT9PJ5ZmAWN0Ah+3uHfcAcihaVPjSwb2pFL 5RBo8YzXiGEJBFS1nGKhNtmsDPjIXg5UYqlYY= Received: by 10.224.209.135 with SMTP id gg7mr13546qab.15.1308121511575; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.71 with SMTP id cv7ls33339qab.1.gmail; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.137.78 with SMTP id v14mr186959qat.10.1308121510194; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.137.78 with SMTP id v14mr186958qat.10.1308121510164; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f52.google.com (mail-qw0-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx39si175548qcb.2.2011.06.15.00.05.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.52; Received: by mail-qw0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 8so64664qwb.11 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.30.144 with SMTP id u16mr104024qcc.47.1308121510039; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.27.202 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:05:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:05:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Hesitation sounds in natural langauge From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 June 2011 20:05, .arpis. wrote: > A friend of mine mentioned the following (with this book as a source: > http://www.amazon.com/Most-Human-Talking-Computers-Teaches/dp/0385533063): > > Humans, naturally, when speaking, have two distinct hesitation sounds in > almost all natural languages (English having uh and um), one of which is a > short pause, during which the speaker is planning eir next words but intends > to continue the utterance, and the other of which is a longer pause which > invites interruption or assistance. > > I have never heard natural (not scripted) lojban conversations, and to the > best of my knowledge, there is only one hesitation sound in lojban (ybu). I don't think "y" itself should have any specific meaning apart from its role to fill a space created by a delay in an utterance (either spoken or written). If I wanted to communicate my intention or call to the listener in a manner that isn't syntactically dependent on the on-going bridi, I would consider UI / COI first. In this case, "I intend to continue my utterance" and "hey, can you help me with this" following a pause. "Planning-pause" and "interruption-/assistance-pause" may be expressed compositionally: .y. mu'onai uh... (I'm not finished) .y. mu'o / be'e / pe'u um... (ok, I'm done) / (say something) / (please) I could also use "ju'i" / "ju'inai" to call on or off the listener's attention to my flow of utterance. For example: mi pu viska lo nu do gasnu lo nu .y. ju'inai I saw you doing... um... whatever, forget about it. mu'o mi'e tijlan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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