From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDPl7nwBBoEm6mSKQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 01 15:36:11 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcmJl-0007JG-KH; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:36:11 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf2769267pvc.16 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=z80yQ4ImlN7W9eAv5eb2TFMU7Rs+w9DSI98/hIUTPXM=; b=ALzRLhe0fJxYeXyRS9Oe51tGD+KG0lUsoP2yrJGQuS9Ai00BaqM73ISPJY1EqWOUEh nPV+U6lQf+vPw9MEQvCNtiRsDOjFZN1249ZYYaPlN0Qrp8cCducdRDd9DBpwQZzK/NYq J1O3ahZU1ASv4vwNTVX8rkd5LmPbaeRpXBOPs= Received: by 10.68.23.227 with SMTP id p3mr350564pbf.69.1309559759011; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.16.199 with SMTP id i7ls2372769pbd.3.gmail; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.193 with SMTP id j1mr927804pbr.58.1309559758459; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.60.193 with SMTP id j1mr927803pbr.58.1309559758442; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9si7596659pbc.2.2011.07.01.15.35.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcmJZ-0007JB-JH for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:57 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcmJY-0007J1-6a for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:57 -0700 Received: by wyh22 with SMTP id 22so3420743wyh.40 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.79.18 with SMTP id h18mr1465632wee.3.1309559749658; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.81.144 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.81.144 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:35:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 18:35:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Is it a lie? From: Luke Bergen To: "lojban-list@lojban.org" X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0b4f0b0c89704a709a351 --000e0ce0b4f0b0c89704a709a351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 da'i tu'e One of my kids says "you're a " to one of the neighborhood kids and I am now questioning him. He says "mi na cusku lu do li'u" thinking to himself "mi na cusku ra la .barak obama. .u'ise'i" tu'u So my question is, can an unsaid "zo'e" cause the bridi to be true OR false depending on what the context suggests of the zo'e? Clearly the kid is being dishonest but is he /lieing/? It kind of reminds me of arguments I would have with my sister that went like "but you said that you would take out the trash if I walked the dog. -yeah, but I didn't say when" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0ce0b4f0b0c89704a709a351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

da'i tu'e
One of my kids says "you're a <expletive>" to one of th= e neighborhood kids and I am now questioning him.

He says "mi na cusku lu do <expletive> li'u" thinkin= g to himself "mi na cusku ra la .barak obama. .u'ise'i" tu'u

So my question is, can an unsaid "zo'e" cause the bridi to= be true OR false depending on what the context suggests of the zo'e?= =A0 Clearly the kid is being dishonest but is he /lieing/?

It kind of reminds me of arguments I would have with my sister that went= like "but you said that you would take out the trash if I walked the = dog.=A0 -yeah, but I didn't say when"

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