From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDC8eDwBBoEbZ2EiQ@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 04:17:38 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfVXR-0000tF-1f; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:38 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf3220189qyk.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A9hJwDMQZG/U9eB+Zj4pL4gtdn5tlaJkCeifI6WomjU=; b=ALLyFDnpiwgwdIH9ILvOl0U00IS091Rqbh+ns0w7HhTkvrXSI/eEtcTDFVF5LRX9No TCLWoHnGcs77fLcBOQCCn10MfjzsKo4fo/3a62JgkJMMXDYny3N4fblC0JdcznJCxBXe AkoBcwTzWrgKmu7m67tTfrt9hKwigeQtxhAjU= Received: by 10.224.204.73 with SMTP id fl9mr460756qab.9.1310210242071; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.71 with SMTP id cv7ls2468058qab.1.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.33.76 with SMTP id g12mr3574848qad.21.1310210241622; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.33.76 with SMTP id g12mr3574847qad.21.1310210241615; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ge31si10793564qcb.2.2011.07.09.04.17.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.178; Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so1843800qyk.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr2280401qco.98.1310210241218; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.48.5 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 04:17:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:17:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] xu dai From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9 July 2011 09:36, Remo Dentato wrote: > I would understand it as "is it the general feeling that I'm the one > who goes/went/will go?". That's interrogative, which I don't think is the main mood of Pierre's example. The meaning of "xu dai" is to be understood compositionally, just like ".ui dai". Whatever attitudinal that directly precedes "dai" does not affect the bridi's mood. If I say "mi .ui dai klama", I'm ascribing the happiness to other than me the utterer; likewise, if I say "mi xu dai klama", I'm ascribing the interrogative attitude to na'e mi, leaving the bridi in its non-interrogative mood. I agee with Pierre's interpretation. I would translate "mi xu dai klama" as something like "Right, so you're wondering if *I* go." or, loosely as an indirect question, "You wanna know if *I* go, yeah?". As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one who go?", I would more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka sidbo fa lo nu mi me lo klama". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.