From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDG3uLwBBoEIHBK4Q@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 12:43:19 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfdQn-0006tl-3M; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:18 -0700 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf2937043gyg.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JdVQ3JolObpxr6hLCYCr38+VNvEMAgQS6DQuzMHHjME=; b=OWaE0Yb2DS2ntsuZiU7BiGE3bTo0HA20Z268fj/x2T8UoIIXZogJgi/dPzbvSYUOC9 ioNuyWFVLRyDSAoaYKiZHsq9rs+hHryp0Qb7vcXabf4X2wX6FuqVS4okJXLrHv98Xvtl 2ukTKwf3d89aVKSJK0D//cuX+Mg1VjWc4YcEU= Received: by 10.150.115.14 with SMTP id n14mr466292ybc.13.1310240582229; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.83.11 with SMTP id d11ls2262505ibl.1.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.134.65 with SMTP id k1mr866069ict.77.1310240581594; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.134.65 with SMTP id k1mr866068ict.77.1310240581582; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14si4540792icn.7.2011.07.09.12.43.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by iwc10 with SMTP id 10so2762181iwc.9 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.5.165 with SMTP id 37mr2948989ibv.144.1310240581306; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:43:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015177415ee6b48c404a7a828c0 --0015177415ee6b48c404a7a828c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 me = "amongst those that are" lo cadzu = "something that walks" mi me lo cadzu = "I am amongst those that are something which walks" = "I am a walker" On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Not so sure I agree. "me" takes a sumti and turns it into a selbri. "lo" > takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti. > > -(-x) is not "a kind of negative-ish x". It's just positive x. Period > On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > > mi cadzu = "I walk" > > mi me lo cadzu = "I am a walker (pedestrian)" > > > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan wrote: > >> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one who go?", I would > >> > more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka > >> > sidbo fa lo nu mi me lo klama". > >> > >> I think i saw a {me lo}! > >> Yes, I did! I did saw a {me lo}! > >> > >> How is {me lo broda} different in meaning from {broda}? (other than > >> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3 etc.) > >> > >> mu'o mi'e ianek > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015177415ee6b48c404a7a828c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable me =3D "amongst those that are"
lo cadzu =3D "something t= hat walks"

mi me lo cadzu =3D "I am amongst those that are= something which walks" =3D "I am a walker"

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrot= e:

Not so sure I agree.=A0 "me" takes a sumti and turns it into a= selbri.=A0 "lo" takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti.

-(-x)=A0 is not "a kind of negative-ish x".=A0 It's just p= ositive x.=A0 Period

On Jul 9, 2011= 3:36 PM, "Jonathan Jones" <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> mi cadzu =3D "I walk"
> mi me lo cadzu =3D "I am a walker (pedestrian)"
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ;
>>
>>
>> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
>> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one w= ho go?", I would
>> > more consider "ka'u pei mi = klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka
>> > sidbo fa = lo nu mi me lo klama".
>>
>> I think i saw a {me lo}!
>> Yes, I did! I did= saw a {me lo}!
>>
>> How is {me lo broda} different in m= eaning from {broda}? (other than
>> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3 et= c.)
>>
>> mu'o mi'e ianek
>>
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>
>
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>
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