From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCA4eLwBBoE1e-XZA@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 12:48:32 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfdVs-00022N-42; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:32 -0700 Received: by yxj20 with SMTP id 20sf2952906yxj.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/32gil4vIia47n2XqFjq/hOgWIiFMvPt/Ijw3KvN9RA=; b=ArLdLDDdvEILTW4gW7o0pI6nfaRuiPptvU8CaykXU5TWl0Yg+jPKgCDqfFVmr3sFE0 aUKSZC4g14pQLhIEpv7oNEEJCEat9AeW+QdMNw0/SUDvLmAd0MJ8K3sMYbYiTFC09s5I GzmiRELJETNRF3TaY0Ek2IS8+MzNoZXNPX7cE= Received: by 10.150.55.18 with SMTP id d18mr214463yba.5.1310240896940; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.185.5 with SMTP id cm5ls203133ibb.3.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.144.8 with SMTP id z8mr826387icu.48.1310240896166; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.144.8 with SMTP id z8mr826386icu.48.1310240896154; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f178.google.com (mail-iy0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gh9si4543779icb.3.2011.07.09.12.48.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.178; Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so3206722iyb.37 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.29.132 with SMTP id q4mr2954618ibc.169.1310240896028; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:48:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:48:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151774067c2d91f404a7a83baf --00151774067c2d91f404a7a83baf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's more akin to the integral of the derivative of a function, than it is to the negative of the negative of a function. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > me = "amongst those that are" > lo cadzu = "something that walks" > > mi me lo cadzu = "I am amongst those that are something which walks" = "I > am a walker" > > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> Not so sure I agree. "me" takes a sumti and turns it into a selbri. "lo" >> takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti. >> >> -(-x) is not "a kind of negative-ish x". It's just positive x. Period >> On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: >> > mi cadzu = "I walk" >> > mi me lo cadzu = "I am a walker (pedestrian)" >> > >> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan wrote: >> >> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one who go?", I would >> >> > more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka >> >> > sidbo fa lo nu mi me lo klama". >> >> >> >> I think i saw a {me lo}! >> >> Yes, I did! I did saw a {me lo}! >> >> >> >> How is {me lo broda} different in meaning from {broda}? (other than >> >> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3 etc.) >> >> >> >> mu'o mi'e ianek >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "lojban" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > >> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "lojban" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00151774067c2d91f404a7a83baf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's more akin to the integral of the derivative of a function, than it= is to the negative of the negative of a function.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> w= rote:
me =3D "amongst those that are"lo cadzu =3D "something that walks"

mi me lo cadzu =3D &= quot;I am amongst those that are something which walks" =3D "I am= a walker"


On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Not so sure I agree.=A0 "me" takes a sumti and turns it into a= selbri.=A0 "lo" takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti.

-(-x)=A0 is not "a kind of negative-ish x".=A0 It's just p= ositive x.=A0 Period

On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, &qu= ot;Jonathan Jones" <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> mi ca= dzu =3D "I walk"
> mi me lo cadzu =3D "I am a walker (pedestrian)"
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ;
>>
>>
>> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
>> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one w= ho go?", I would
>> > more consider "ka'u pei mi = klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka
>> > sidbo fa = lo nu mi me lo klama".
>>
>> I think i saw a {me lo}!
>> Yes, I did! I did= saw a {me lo}!
>>
>> How is {me lo broda} different in m= eaning from {broda}? (other than
>> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3 et= c.)
>>
>> mu'o mi'e ianek
>>
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>
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