From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC05OLwBBoEqeZYNg@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 12:55:46 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfdct-0007DV-LD; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:46 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf5272781wwf.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9gudwbgr8UMkilfSQSneVqf7XM6uSYT5yLALPJ4B39E=; b=eeqJqSLCOiQ78g4u8YjAADT8eHQ6gmTLBQzXYryUqpAysSgdiNCUrzH1P8M90AWNeJ STNgGR1ONPwfEkiByXh1fK1t0g6jllwOwJ4M19S1M7wnnxpADwGPhiCQV0rhaUq+/j/V 6SoYt9+Nu7T8b8RGi0Yf9kTNt66j2wbks0tWI= Received: by 10.216.243.202 with SMTP id k52mr1228878wer.12.1310241332086; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.153.168 with SMTP id k40ls96817wbw.0.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.202.11 with SMTP id fc11mr215572wbb.12.1310241331285; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.202.11 with SMTP id fc11mr215571wbb.12.1310241331262; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25si3668098wbp.1.2011.07.09.12.55.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by mail-wy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 36so2562470wyg.14 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.58.131 with SMTP id q3mr1778126wec.25.1310241330983; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 12:55:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:55:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0cce61a716c04a7a8559b --000e0ce0cce61a716c04a7a8559b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It was an analogy. Don't take it as my cornerstone proof. If "me" means more than just the counterpart of "lo" then my bad. But I've always thought of "me" as being as generic as "lo" is. Meh, if "me" means more than the inverse of "lo" then I guess I've learned something today. Though I'd like to hear it from vlasisku or one of the jbocrecevni first On Jul 9, 2011 3:48 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > It's more akin to the integral of the derivative of a function, than it is > to the negative of the negative of a function. > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> me = "amongst those that are" >> lo cadzu = "something that walks" >> >> mi me lo cadzu = "I am amongst those that are something which walks" = "I >> am a walker" >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> Not so sure I agree. "me" takes a sumti and turns it into a selbri. "lo" >>> takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti. >>> >>> -(-x) is not "a kind of negative-ish x". It's just positive x. Period >>> On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: >>> > mi cadzu = "I walk" >>> > mi me lo cadzu = "I am a walker (pedestrian)" >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan wrote: >>> >> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one who go?", I would >>> >> > more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka >>> >> > sidbo fa lo nu mi me lo klama". >>> >> >>> >> I think i saw a {me lo}! >>> >> Yes, I did! I did saw a {me lo}! >>> >> >>> >> How is {me lo broda} different in meaning from {broda}? (other than >>> >> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3 etc.) >>> >> >>> >> mu'o mi'e ianek >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "lojban" group. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > >>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0ce0cce61a716c04a7a8559b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It was an analogy.=A0 Don't take it as my cornerstone proof.

If "me" means more than just the counterpart of "lo"= then my bad.=A0 But I've always thought of "me" as being as = generic as "lo" is.=A0 Meh, if "me" means more than the= inverse of "lo" then I guess I've learned something today.= =A0 Though I'd like to hear it from vlasisku or one of the jbocrecevni = first

On Jul 9, 2011 3:48 PM, "Jonathan Jones&quo= t; <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote= :
> It's more akin to the integral of the de= rivative of a function, than it is
> to the negative of the negative of a function.
>
> On Sat= , Jul 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> me =3D "a= mongst those that are"
>> lo cadzu =3D "something that walks"
>>
>&= gt; mi me lo cadzu =3D "I am amongst those that are something which wa= lks" =3D "I
>> am a walker"
>>
>>=
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
= >>> Not so sure I agree. "me" takes a sumti and turns i= t into a selbri. "lo"
>>> takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti.
>>>
&= gt;>> -(-x) is not "a kind of negative-ish x". It's j= ust positive x. Period
>>> On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, "Jonat= han Jones" <eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
>>> > mi cadzu =3D "I walk"
>>> > mi m= e lo cadzu =3D "I am a walker (pedestrian)"
>>> ><= br>>>> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>= >> >> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >= ; As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one who go?"= , I would
>>> >> > more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" = or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka
>>> >> > sidbo fa= lo nu mi me lo klama".
>>> >>
>>> >&= gt; I think i saw a {me lo}!
>>> >> Yes, I did! I did saw a {me lo}!
>>> >= >
>>> >> How is {me lo broda} different in meaning fro= m {broda}? (other than
>>> >> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3= etc.)
>>> >>
>>> >> mu'o mi'e ianek
&= gt;>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >
>= >> >
>>> > --
>>> > mu'o mi'= e .aionys.
>>> >
>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima= lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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>>
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>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your f= ather. :D )
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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