From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDz7eLwBBoEAwaljw@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 13:16:01 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfdwU-000817-JX; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:16:01 -0700 Received: by ywt32 with SMTP id 32sf2940473ywt.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FPp8VyzpdunqR1Srqx7ehUCPMD3ENIc+GaUZQVy5fcM=; b=zL0KFVzGUhnb9aTihcAjLWQ7EChhaL30jOlmto4HtJXlfVoypN4ZKRz23TWI9GmDvs 5wHARouLp+U7MwsobhDPtNR8QQ5BTHWTzoxCyKzcxqrQK7D67bEE8ePW2aVmchF++cZe 3XGqjmVztpUmwq7DNzUEx3kvy1ZhR1PstRSkI= Received: by 10.91.24.19 with SMTP id b19mr518155agj.16.1310242547467; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.83.11 with SMTP id d11ls2276942ibl.1.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.133.10 with SMTP id f10mr718176ict.13.1310242546653; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.133.10 with SMTP id f10mr718175ict.13.1310242546638; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wt15si4551819icb.1.2011.07.09.13.15.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.169; Received: by iyl8 with SMTP id 8so2755745iyl.28 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.29.132 with SMTP id q4mr2969837ibc.169.1310242546460; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 14:15:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151774067c8d26f104a7a89d0d --00151774067c8d26f104a7a89d0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, it means less. That's why I used integral/derivative. The integral of the derivative of 2x^2+3x+5 is 2x^2+3x+C. some information is lost in the process. me lo broda is "x1 is amongst those that are broda in aspect x2", which is less meaningful. On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > It was an analogy. Don't take it as my cornerstone proof. > > If "me" means more than just the counterpart of "lo" then my bad. But I've > always thought of "me" as being as generic as "lo" is. Meh, if "me" means > more than the inverse of "lo" then I guess I've learned something today. > Though I'd like to hear it from vlasisku or one of the jbocrecevni first > On Jul 9, 2011 3:48 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > > It's more akin to the integral of the derivative of a function, than it > is > > to the negative of the negative of a function. > > > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > >> me = "amongst those that are" > >> lo cadzu = "something that walks" > >> > >> mi me lo cadzu = "I am amongst those that are something which walks" = > "I > >> am a walker" > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > >> > >>> Not so sure I agree. "me" takes a sumti and turns it into a selbri. > "lo" > >>> takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti. > >>> > >>> -(-x) is not "a kind of negative-ish x". It's just positive x. Period > >>> On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > >>> > mi cadzu = "I walk" > >>> > mi me lo cadzu = "I am a walker (pedestrian)" > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan wrote: > >>> >> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the one who go?", I > would > >>> >> > more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka > >>> >> > sidbo fa lo nu mi me lo klama". > >>> >> > >>> >> I think i saw a {me lo}! > >>> >> Yes, I did! I did saw a {me lo}! > >>> >> > >>> >> How is {me lo broda} different in meaning from {broda}? (other than > >>> >> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3 etc.) > >>> >> > >>> >> mu'o mi'e ianek > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups > >>> >> "lojban" group. > >>> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> >> For more options, visit this group at > >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>> > > >>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups "lojban" group. > >>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> > For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "lojban" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >> > >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! 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To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00151774067c8d26f104a7a89d0d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, it means less.

That's why I used integral/derivative. The in= tegral of the derivative of 2x^2+3x+5 is 2x^2+3x+C. some information is los= t in the process.

me lo broda is "x1 is amongst those that are = broda in aspect x2", which is less meaningful.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Luke Bergen = <lukeabergen@= gmail.com> wrote:

It was an analogy.=A0 Don't take it as my cornerstone proof.

If "me" means more than just the counterpart of "lo"= then my bad.=A0 But I've always thought of "me" as being as = generic as "lo" is.=A0 Meh, if "me" means more than the= inverse of "lo" then I guess I've learned something today.= =A0 Though I'd like to hear it from vlasisku or one of the jbocrecevni = first

On Jul 9, 2011 3:48 PM, "Jonathan Jones&quo= t; <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:
> It's more akin to the = integral of the derivative of a function, than it is
> to the negative of the negative of a function.
>
> On Sat= , Jul 9, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>&= gt; me =3D "amongst those that are"
>> lo cadzu =3D "something that walks"
>>
>&= gt; mi me lo cadzu =3D "I am amongst those that are something which wa= lks" =3D "I
>> am a walker"
>>
>>=
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>>
>>> Not so sure I agree. "me" takes a= sumti and turns it into a selbri. "lo"
>>> takes a selbri and turns it into a sumti.
>>>
&= gt;>> -(-x) is not "a kind of negative-ish x". It's j= ust positive x. Period
>>> On Jul 9, 2011 3:36 PM, "Jonat= han Jones" <= eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > mi cadzu =3D "I walk"
>>> > mi m= e lo cadzu =3D "I am a walker (pedestrian)"
>>> ><= br>>>> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:=
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>= >> >> On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, tijlan <jbotij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>= ;> >> > As for "Is it the general feeling that I'm the= one who go?", I would
>>> >> > more consider "ka'u pei mi klama" = or precisely "xu kampu fa lo ka
>>> >> > sidbo fa= lo nu mi me lo klama".
>>> >>
>>> >&= gt; I think i saw a {me lo}!
>>> >> Yes, I did! I did saw a {me lo}!
>>> >= >
>>> >> How is {me lo broda} different in meaning fro= m {broda}? (other than
>>> >> {me lo} sort of cuts x2, x3= etc.)
>>> >>
>>> >> mu'o mi'e ianek
&= gt;>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>= >> >
>>> > --
>>> > mu'o mi'= e .aionys.
>>> >
>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima= lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
&g= t;>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'= ;o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your f= ather. :D )
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pa= tfu do zo'o
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