From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCci-TwBBoEhS-pJw@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 18:51:38 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfjBG-0002d8-V5; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:38 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf3893567qyk.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=zADRd+C8s+tSbdoFvjV08cm+yRYi0dzcwRNq6oUw/4Y=; b=ccLAhquvkOuTq8jetJMgbTTY63EVUjnkNUTFylOu/DzJvC9vIu/jvEMvlQXb7Tie/H ZIbxv/PUBzJ29rDKCvDCBcHrwabE0Lf4ti+DrNedsgbEpBPHXLvWRx36+FKN2C/ddSmq 37AI0Onb0Y4Qu0wcKDBnP1LIu9IhuHQTxaNHU= Received: by 10.229.14.206 with SMTP id h14mr389647qca.47.1310262684054; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.71 with SMTP id cv7ls2552517qab.1.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.213.198 with SMTP id gx6mr463458qab.14.1310262683081; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.213.198 with SMTP id gx6mr463457qab.14.1310262683073; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ge31si11293269qcb.2.2011.07.09.18.51.21; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pLPlkKcK38cN4Cv4YkVeTGGRYpmKez/IrX640LVKWnc= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=EL0LRNKVE3sZWyfQ-3YA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:35289] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 49/8F-20202-995091E4; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 01:51:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8364D16192 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:51:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201107092151.17817.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 09 July 2011 16:15:46 Jonathan Jones wrote: > No, it means less. > > That's why I used integral/derivative. The integral of the derivative of > 2x^2+3x+5 is 2x^2+3x+C. some information is lost in the process. > > me lo broda is "x1 is amongst those that are broda in aspect x2", which i= s > less meaningful. There are instances where I'd use "me " with something else in x2. T= he=20 most obvious is when is a Linnaean name, in which case x2 is a=20 subtaxon thereof. For instance, "me la .eragrostis. la .tef." is synonymous= =20 and equivalent to "pamsrasu la .tef." (an Ethiopian grain used to make a=20 bread called injera). It is true, though, that x2 of "me lo broda" does not= =20 depend on x2 of "broda". On Saturday 09 July 2011 16:56:48 Jonathan Jones wrote: > I suppose not, however, {mi me lo klama be lo zarci} means "I am somethin= g > that goes to a store", not "I go to a store", which is what {mi klama lo > zarci} means. But what does "mi me lo klama be lo zarci be'o lo ckule" mean? "lo ckule" i= s=20 not in any place of "klama". Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. 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