From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBCHmrzwBBoEshCB0w@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 02 05:20:40 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QczBa-0005gQ-CF; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:39 -0700 Received: by vxg38 with SMTP id 38sf2285929vxg.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Nl43B99+7uEW1qBD03JVwTNZsK7d/HmiPrXWhr8rijg=; b=g5f5epHWpwGldKd2TF2KQ35shBPvqgWhod2mCw+vo1JJoOQ+rHRGN4ypURdbShhYoy UKtSwhxh49wDpNizE+uygfdzrAzDwxhA/4CuFpWV6sO1HzfWtQ37tLTpFeTQZI44eKV3 KTVWwtuTgdbgb2vxKWfBUJwhtqGlEUnpl8G1w= Received: by 10.220.111.72 with SMTP id r8mr738967vcp.40.1309609223631; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.161.199 with SMTP id xu7ls1978635vdb.0.gmail; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.66 with SMTP id 2mr1700971vdc.6.1309609222553; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.66 with SMTP id 2mr1700970vdc.6.1309609222540; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com (mail-qy0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch6si3508478vdb.2.2011.07.02.05.20.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.170; Received: by mail-qy0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so421674qyg.15 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.118.78 with SMTP id u14mr3354142qcq.29.1309609222388; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.228.70 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 05:20:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110702061357.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110702023512.GF8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110702061357.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:20:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie? From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 2 July 2011 07:13, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I don't see a significant distinction between "you are lying" and > "you are being a deceptive asshole". Schindler lied to the Nazis in order to save innocent people's lives, and I don't think he was being a deceptive asshole. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.