From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCQzrzwBBoEk4N39g@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 02 07:11:44 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd0v5-0006Pl-Fu; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:43 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf4298537gwb.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:message-id:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=G6WncmzDjYNbY2p0hzzCMp4MUUF+M2tqrMW2CZjpExo=; b=o0EBtQauMN6eLf/j3avsRmmGKrfDNNz050TKDlFkDuMhPCJQvXpDsqWp2nkp/yh+RO 89h/TIRWVOv36igyZpveK2oScwjIDkPkRfwgcM/J9lhOZBCL9cJmXtZIlbQ17JcQIeQu Phf9HAaUf64Os951kZrtkWoyyqRRS2u/1vIa8= Received: by 10.101.71.2 with SMTP id y2mr441756ank.29.1309615888795; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.139.29 with SMTP id r29ls793349ann.2.gmail; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.207.33 with SMTP id j33mr1787789anq.17.1309615887939; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.207.33 with SMTP id j33mr1787788anq.17.1309615887914; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.93]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id h29si3703512anq.2.2011.07.02.07.11.27; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.93 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.93; Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2011 14:11:27 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.121] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2011 14:11:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2011 14:11:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 592592.62538.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 44813 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2011 14:11:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BgIjxqIVM1mp1A7Gd9bYshL51SJW3Mfus4gesjD0xlGSh6C 9Rk3k8DkBrRuH.1KEL6UXpW7wUhMh3yIbDBei0jngWfjXJh7eUYwjWu7q9o9 nld0DLLX1sxz.S5wGYYNDbXjgacOS1H_pIIrt5_uS3Vloerqnv1byaWB0u9u pSwibahhnB6NWmUVLANOnfd27JCN8_eI7NH56yMp17N9TS1LeVHMuk1e1SE0 bD4E.SMXErWbC.DTL6VQ9_78l3hV52vfu6hoNhagHFf4MtGfqQTuWDhUhBbS 205eQ8oeJwrdGVeFW3xB_UWTVyc5d2S2GuNEjV6_3JVKHI_U9dL6gA7CzPnn 5zudi0VeRVQouJEKp8XMeIfV8cwjZJciaNXLcbp.d.MIeVEgZ9CZ9.XF9PYD aAQMV7_5H8NVGOKLRp9LYnw2gezsgpYkjpr_j2nMvx9Yt80KsI1wjxhdyftO ZfHl7liBUIDr9ND3ym3f3O6ochlxNB2mSpfu8SMegb0o- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 07:11:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/572 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 References: <20110702023512.GF8547@digitalkingdom.org> <20110702061357.GH8547@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <1309615887.26603.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie? To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.93 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But then, you are not a Nazi, It is all relative as to whether telling a known untruth or disguising a truth to mislead is counted as a lie (definitely bad) or not. ----- Original Message ---- From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 7:20:22 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie? On 2 July 2011 07:13, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I don't see a significant distinction between "you are lying" and > "you are being a deceptive asshole". Schindler lied to the Nazis in order to save innocent people's lives, and I don't think he was being a deceptive asshole. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.