From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCq_-fwBBoEibdM-A@googlegroups.com Sun Jul 10 12:38:38 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfzpm-0004jb-F8; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:37 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf6659600wyh.16 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZnuVRJ9B36qX73d6Iy9EX3lGJF+Hi9N0eGd03une+Jw=; b=zVfc15Ur+v7ArBIoVLVL15RSeq6eYzAxl1w1g+wP6PODw54xV5IMs6QcJEAL+M8dsp lWNm2uVHfLJsElq6NcQjyEDzVldEyilk69nG5F9koiD/oNX9QwK/koIjMhHRjkaDr/zT HSJb09XOO1gMmeis83NTKXzWKPnWtcTElR8Kc= Received: by 10.216.26.134 with SMTP id c6mr1512409wea.3.1310326698957; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.168.207 with SMTP id v15ls1740952wby.3.gmail; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.173.12 with SMTP id n12mr45376wbz.6.1310326697251; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.173.12 with SMTP id n12mr45375wbz.6.1310326697150; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25si4602783wbp.1.2011.07.10.12.38.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.46; Received: by wwf25 with SMTP id 25so3117875wwf.3 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.217.6.197 with SMTP id y47mr2414362wes.55.1310326696854; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:38:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110710191911.GG18524@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110710191911.GG18524@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] UI affecting the previous word From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302ad6984e426704a7bc3528 --20cf302ad6984e426704a7bc3528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I say "so many other constructs" I'm referring to the fact that most things (in my mind) are "take the following X and make it a Y". E.g. "lo", "me", "zo", "nu", etc... And for me it's mostly only hard with discursives. I tend to want to say "mi ru'a djuno" instead of "mi djuno ru'a". But that could be just me. I think in general I just prefer forethought everything (except gi'e apparently. I love being lazy and tacking a tail on at the end of a bridi) Like, it feels weird to be reading something and then go "oops, there's a UI, go back and read that last word again but read it with a more 'hopeful' voice" On Jul 10, 2011 3:19 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 02:44:58PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >> Does anyone know why the decision was made to make UI modify the >> preceding word instead of the followimg word like so many other >> constructs do? Seems like if UI did that then the problem could >> be solved by doing "doi alyn xuku do klama" > > As far as I know *only* ba'e works like that; what do you mean by > "so many other constructs"? > > As for why it was done that way, I have absolutely no idea, ask Bob. > :) > > For me it seems *far* more natural in almost all cases. Most > attitudinals (.ui, .u'u, .e'e, etc) are afterthought to me. I only > have trouble with {xu} these days, I think? I used to have trouble > with {po'o}, but only because in *English* I say "I have only one > book". > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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When I say "so many other constructs" I'm referring to the= fact that most things (in my mind) are "take the following X and make= it a Y".=A0 E.g. "lo", "me", "zo", &quo= t;nu", etc...

And for me it's mostly only hard with discursives.=A0 I tend to want= to say "mi ru'a djuno" instead of "mi djuno ru'a&qu= ot;.

But that could be just me.=A0 I think in general I just prefer forethoug= ht everything (except gi'e apparently. I love being lazy and tacking a = tail on at the end of a bridi)

Like, it feels weird to be reading something and then go "oops, the= re's a UI, go back and read that last word again but read it with a mor= e 'hopeful' voice"

On Jul 10, 2011 3:19 PM, "Robin Lee Powell&= quot; <rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 = at 02:44:58PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
>> Does anyone know why the decision was made to make UI modify the>> preceding word instead of the followimg word like so many other<= br>>> constructs do? Seems like if UI did that then the problem coul= d
>> be solved by doing "doi alyn xuku do klama"
>
= > As far as I know *only* ba'e works like that; what do you mean by<= br>> "so many other constructs"?
>
> As for why i= t was done that way, I have absolutely no idea, ask Bob.
> :)
>
> For me it seems *far* more natural in almost all c= ases. Most
> attitudinals (.ui, .u'u, .e'e, etc) are afterth= ought to me. I only
> have trouble with {xu} these days, I think? I= used to have trouble
> with {po'o}, but only because in *English* I say "I have only= one
> book".
>
> -Robin
>
> --
&g= t; http://singinst.org/ : Our last, b= est hope for a fantastic future.
> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/)= : The language in which "this parrot
> is dead" is "ti= poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"
>= is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
>
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