From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhDKm-zwBBoEPCrqCQ@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 11 07:50:58 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgHp1-0002nG-KG; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:57 -0700 Received: by mail-yx0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 20sf4350614yxj.16 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sSGLkTAr2pfvk8ZQ8FqBVm5t/xqxJaFGlLmUJVdtaDM=; b=NgZ9DMvS8IX3FhrNc3fT/j1wHhTopK6p3B0RkxnDdcI1A3QB1bCm6U4i6Ixj7XnFVz n5WgZ0RrVTnXgPlEV134hHDcd7gK3ve/HWkQGVNKG/qZ+9oCHLiAyool6wziR+ZGbzQy O8CfkmxVRGWcPaq9kVLERI6DZx4Io+RhhDeh8= Received: by 10.100.115.5 with SMTP id n5mr553533anc.38.1310395850237; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.83.10 with SMTP id k10ls872226anl.4.gmail; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.42.103 with SMTP id n7mr1254657pbl.9.1310395849278; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.42.103 with SMTP id n7mr1254656pbl.9.1310395849261; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f42.google.com (mail-pz0-f42.google.com [209.85.210.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si26974299pbn.1.2011.07.11.07.50.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.42; Received: by mail-pz0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 37so3894855pzk.15 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.150.20 with SMTP id x20mr1977642wfd.62.1310395849089; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.93.3 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110711002044.GN18524@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110711002044.GN18524@digitalkingdom.org> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:50:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zo kuktce pei To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > .oi do na jmini zo kuktce la jbovlaste .i ji'a do na ciska le te > sumti stura .oi sai .i se ki'u bo mi na jinvi .i lo lojbo valsi > smuni cu se nibli ro lo te sumti .i vi'o jatna mi pu zi jmina .i .u'u mi sruma lo du'u frili fa lo nu smadi .i .ai sampu valsi .i di'e smuni zo kuktce mi .i xy xi pa mutce lo ka ce'u kukte xy xi re .i ro le drata te gismu cu se citka pe'a > Sorry, this is too meta-linguisting: I have real trouble saying > things like that. =A0Specifically, discussing place structures, and > sumti slots in theory (rather than actual concrete sumti use). =A0What > do people think of what I did there? =A0Is there a better way? I didn't think twice about it until you asked, but it is an odd use of {nibli}. I think maybe you meant to say that not the tergi'u themselves but their meanings are logically related to the meaning of the whole. Someday we'll have lots of specific Lojbanic grammar terminology and we'll get used to it and we'll start saying that it's hard to discuss Lojban's grammar in English. mu'o mi'e la stela selckiku --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.