From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEILU7PAEGgRT2o9s@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 11 09:51:27 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgJhd-0004TJ-5F; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:27 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf2833533pzk.16 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zuD6SfVeBD4pk2OUaVpzi10FbacdwD7S3oYYRAykWa4=; b=VQuCp+DrvhYT9aNeMTcdVVeFVvtcVtZeGCnKquB6AitWBY1ulf9/BpuZLyv/qpJKLh tHL5ufuH4gdNDuPq8BIMlV6H88sV60k7T6bngmnjwgO7Xp3CDcFRteQMvfrFJD/pLZAw 6K4pnM7jq+FltC+G83E6z0MpkToFXOeQ9u+t0= Received: by 10.68.27.194 with SMTP id v2mr863632pbg.72.1310403074228; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.39.97 with SMTP id o1ls46070pbk.2.gmail; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.17.65 with SMTP id m1mr1215127pbd.69.1310403073088; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.17.65 with SMTP id m1mr1215126pbd.69.1310403073077; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9si27187699pbc.2.2011.07.11.09.51.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgJhM-0004TC-3g for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:51:08 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zo kuktce pei Message-ID: <20110711165107.GS18524@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110711002044.GN18524@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:50:19AM -0400, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > .oi do na jmini zo kuktce la jbovlaste .i ji'a do na ciska le te > > sumti stura .oi sai .i se ki'u bo mi na jinvi .i lo lojbo valsi > > smuni cu se nibli ro lo te sumti >=20 > .i vi'o jatna mi pu zi jmina .i .u'u mi sruma lo du'u frili fa lo > nu smadi .i .ai sampu valsi=20 mi na nelci lo nu smadi .i zo mutce cu ci mei se sumti .i na sampu .i zo gasnu cu pa mei se sumti gi'e sampu .i mi .i'e ka'e smadi se ra'a zo gasnu .e nai lo drata lujvo pagbu > .i di'e smuni zo kuktce mi .i xy xi pa mutce lo ka ce'u kukte xy > xi re .i ro le drata te gismu cu se citka pe'a ju'o sai mi na ka'e smadi > > Sorry, this is too meta-linguisting: I have real trouble saying > > things like that. =A0Specifically, discussing place structures, > > and sumti slots in theory (rather than actual concrete sumti > > use). =A0What do people think of what I did there? =A0Is there a > > better way? >=20 > I didn't think twice about it until you asked, but it is an odd > use of {nibli}. =20 It wasn't the nibli I was worried about. :) > I think maybe you meant to say that not the tergi'u themselves but > their meanings are logically related to the meaning of the whole. Fair. > Someday we'll have lots of specific Lojbanic grammar terminology > and we'll get used to it and we'll start saying that it's hard to > discuss Lojban's grammar in English. .a'o sai -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.