From lojban+bncCN7E3I7kBxDGzO_wBBoExXVsWA@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 11 23:14:44 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgWEz-0005Sw-NQ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:14:44 -0700 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31sf5963428qyk.16 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:14:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dmn3sYHUoPvy9a2EFHWScmQpGyw6FW76hcTB2DVq+FM=; b=34tRei4v01/hzSVysaOKxq/BaP9GkjOQa4bp+IHC5cFx1Xs4gEb1XsXt6/wjZuVLVp drOkIHODDY0O17Ad5uXkZnAw3Gt4iRzThS6BT5AYAJ0RgGs+goeF8uj1uCRndixWM9zL iws28D1am5vDKWlxy+X5sk7hicYEmEbr67ahM= Received: by 10.229.33.9 with SMTP id f9mr758211qcd.19.1310451270757; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:14:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.201.196 with SMTP id fb4ls1024973qab.7.gmail; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.67 with SMTP id hd3mr7365721qab.18.1310451270473; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 23:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.6 with SMTP id f6msqan; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.203.2 with SMTP id fg2mr697818qab.42.1309804462765; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201107040342.20416.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <12303ddb-2c2f-4a39-a1d8-63d0ef58eba7@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Writing the accent instead of the capital letter From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1lvaro_Vallejo?= To: lojban X-Original-Sender: avallejor@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me too! I vote with both my hands in favor of this... Please let's get rid of capital letters forever in Lojban! Probably we are late for such suggestions (aren't the rules for Lojban already frozen?), but this was my first thought when I met Lojban and still it is! I think acute accent is more common in computer keyboards than the grave accent, but I could be wrong. Also, the rule should be as simple as possible. I think a diphthongue has always a stressed vowel and an (or two in case of triphthongues) unaccented vowel(s). Then the stressed one would have the accent. In the case of "sautuesrydyfytyn", the one who created the cmene would probably know where it should be stressed. I mean: where do you (or the "owner" of the cmene) stress the cmene when pronouncing it? there you should place the accent. mu'o mi'e la =E1lbaros The Spanish accentuation system is so complex and full or irregularities that we shouldn't take it as a model. On Jul 4, 4:17=A0am, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I've been thinking about writing the stress with an accent instead of a > > capital letter. > > I would be extremely in favor of this! > > I have personally always found a little bit disturbing the use of > capital letters for marking the stressed syllable. > I suspect there is some historical reason for that (I guess US > typewriters had no accented letters at the time Lojban born :) ). > > Nowadays I think we could make good use of accents. Just compare > {j=F2sefin} with {JOsefin} or {fil=ECp} with {filIP}. Our language is > already ugly enough without having to mix lower and upper case. > > I would not care for which accent to use. I would go for the grave > accent (=E0=E8=EC=F2=F9) because that's what Italian uses most but I don'= t feel > so strong about it. Up to the point I won't even be prescriptive on > this: any accent would do. > > Hope you get enough people backing up your proposal. > > Remo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.