From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEOOHuvAEGgT0DiMY@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 01 19:35:30 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qcq3K-0000OM-2K; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:29 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf3018119pzk.16 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=a3l9x2JjBNtRgjH7BICGte6lSfetc75BDPkr0hDuIgs=; b=UoKLEDv8oUETznmP0Jh+Xwp+r5IneYtfESI7UVyDF6oy2wtVnf3IQyEei4bvYTtJZa meQx68T7Tm5wjKKwhq2nntGkOlC4O7WjqX8obwof33GvJjzfAOxGj1md7M+LLhDLHLaS 99pt/nB/VHWiipFHuK33cT3MAqTkszH5DYlUs= Received: by 10.68.33.226 with SMTP id u2mr733504pbi.29.1309574115407; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.37.105 with SMTP id x9ls105286pbj.2.gmail; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.39.170 with SMTP id q10mr857092pbk.94.1309574114813; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.39.170 with SMTP id q10mr857091pbk.94.1309574114804; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si7931964pbc.0.2011.07.01.19.35.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qcq37-0000OG-11 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:35:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 19:35:13 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie? Message-ID: <20110702023512.GF8547@digitalkingdom.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 06:35:49PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > So my question is, can an unsaid "zo'e" cause the bridi to be true > OR false depending on what the context suggests of the zo'e? > Clearly the kid is being dishonest but is he /lieing/? No. zo'e can never change the truth value of the sentence. *But*, without specifying CA and CAhA, it can kind of mean whatever you want. :) > It kind of reminds me of arguments I would have with my sister > that went like "but you said that you would take out the trash if > I walked the dog. -yeah, but I didn't say when" It's exactly like that. It's not false, it just makes you an asshole. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.