From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCqtPnwBBoEJYUe8w@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 13 19:53:43 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhC3Z-0001Nj-6F; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:43 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf8053744qwh.16 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ynLhcEBlQGl7lgYLSwdf/yqRs2EEHvUGxQJIyhxDNRE=; b=E3BthOUy+/mm9HdTYltuiBe9n+tUiHwqKXgCsjvbL9ImjKs5hZgQ9G/xFSplxH4c+u TKVYQs4K5pZfZ+YGsidKMH/EBz2zP88hKCdWY1+z4KKMhkPurmvZtWfgxikJsWc6zdOr 7FWr9u2BrsM1ejheF3RHvZeQx8p0Fy3I+N4b8= Received: by 10.224.130.142 with SMTP id t14mr256459qas.47.1310612010520; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.201.196 with SMTP id fb4ls422747qab.7.gmail; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.197 with SMTP id ex5mr2342548qab.17.1310612009003; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.197 with SMTP id ex5mr2342547qab.17.1310612008993; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z32si3880970qcd.1.2011.07.13.19.53.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so5312729vws.6 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.112.70 with SMTP id io6mr1939667vdb.512.1310612007807; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.111.198 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:53:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7E28C065-4C52-4DE5-9487-6A780891EA26@yahoo.com> References: <201107090028.31171.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4E1A7244.2080107@kli.org> <7C93C87E-FBFF-4C18-A7D2-525EBF6BB974@yahoo.com> <19C496C1-8E20-4FCE-A40C-2634CC26D4AC@yahoo.com> <55A3224A-D4C3-48D6-9114-692063F6D2B8@yahoo.com> <1310438893.88955.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1310579153.44690.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7E28C065-4C52-4DE5-9487-6A780891EA26@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:53:27 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: xu dai From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM, John E. Clifford w= rote: > Well, aside from the fact that I have never heard anyone say that (to the= best of my knowledge), A Google search for "I hear you ask" gives 50,500,000 hits, so if people don't say it, it seems they at least do write it.. >what could it possibly mean? I'm surprised you're not familiar with the expression. >=A0It looks like a factual claim, but admittedly is not. =A0So it looks li= ke a certain style of psychobabble from some time ago -- along with "I hear= what you're saying" and the like. =A0Surely that has no place in a logical= language any more than in a reasonable culture. =A0It might, I suppose, be= an indirect way to ask a question, but it seems foredoomed to fail in most= cases, since the obvious response is "No, I didn't", not an answer. "No, I didn't" doesn't seem to work. If you are the kind of person who answers "yes" when asked if you have the time, your comment should be "But I didn't ask". The expected reaction is of course not to respond anything, but to wait for the speaker to answer the question they are sort of attributing to you. To take one example from the first page of hits: : http://cwdesigncompany.com/Blog1/2010/10/where-has-cindy-been-of-late-i-hea= r-you-ask/ >=A0I just don't see how anyone else's mental states has anything to do wit= h my question and I don't see how my top level 'xu', however gussied up, ca= n not be a question. It is a question, one which the speaker themself is about to answer. It's a way of setting up a topic, creating interest, etc. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.